Renegade Intake
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
I do have one here that isn't right and asked my machinist if he could make it right? He said he would have to take another look at it to be sure. I will get to that some time next week.
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
OK, here is the latest on the manifold. After a fair amount of negotiation with the pattern maker, I'm going to have the tooling repaired to as good as new. It won't be done for another three weeks or so. It was a tough decision to make and almost a leap of faith kind of thing to continue, but this is just the first hurdle. The plant manager from the local foundry just happened to be at the pattern makers and looked at the tooling. This is the same original foundry that poured the manifold in the beginning, so they are somewhat familiar with the tooling. I need to approach them gently and work out a good price per unit that is equatable for everyone before I can proceed any further, but it is a start. More on this as things go forward. 
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@Buccaneer Sounds great. I appreciate your commitment to the CFI community as you're our only option besides porting the stock manifold as far as I'm aware. Hopefully everything works out for you.
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OK, here is the latest on the manifold. After a fair amount of negotiation with the pattern maker, I'm going to have the tooling repaired to as good as new. It won't be done for another three weeks or so. It was a tough decision to make and almost a leap of faith kind of thing to continue, but this is just the first hurdle. The plant manager from the local foundry just happened to be at the pattern makers and looked at the tooling. This is the same original foundry that poured the manifold in the beginning, so they are somewhat familiar with the tooling. I need to approach them gently and work out a good price per unit that is equatable for everyone before I can proceed any further, but it is a start. More on this as things go forward.
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@Buccaneer Sounds great. I appreciate your commitment to the CFI community as you're our only option besides porting the stock manifold as far as I'm aware. Hopefully everything works out for you.
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
Thanks all, it is appreciated. More manifold info... Since I'm a member of the Arizona State University Innovation center with lots of other engineers that also attend there, I was there today and talked with someone there about the manifold possible resurrection project and he is going to put me in touch with a contact at a company that may have a better solution to the manifold here in Phoenix or maybe at least at a cheaper cost, who knows. It all sounded like a great idea and was very hopeful and excited about it when I left the center. I hope that I can work something out with this other company, but if it doesn't work out, at least I tried. The biggest hurdle in this whole thing will be the foundry pouring and cost. The rest is not entirely a big deal right now. Again, more on this as it develops.
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Thanks for the continued updates and all you've done for the Crossfire community. I hope I can show my support by purchasing one of these bad Larrys in the future. I think we need more Crossfires in the 12 second club
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I personally feel that you have some wiggle room on pricing and thus, production cost. If it ends up around $5-600 again....killer. But if it's more, there is still a lot of value there.
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Of course cost is a barrier at some point. That is a good job of stating the obvious. You didn't read the context in which I was discussing cost, did you? Of course, if the manifold costs $13,000.00, probably most hobbyists won't buy one. I was talking more in this realm, however:
If you look at other manifold options.....if the Renegade were $1k and an HSR or a MR II were $1k (which they basically are)...
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Sorry, mistook you for another poster’s comment rhat the “cost should not be a barrier...” and “you could double the cost...” lala-land comments. Comparison to another product that won’t entirely stock-fit a C3 Crossfire (or, failed in the market) is irrelevant.
I would like one and someday plan on it, but I have a lot of other discretionary spending options - and, that’s a lot of di$cretion (including outside installation labor) for another 30 ponies. Just sayin’ - he’s trying to get input on making his business case which requires honest, balanced financial pragmatism from his target market. I am firmly in the market and hopeful - but, brutally realistic about affordability and general stock-like appearance.
I would like one and someday plan on it, but I have a lot of other discretionary spending options - and, that’s a lot of di$cretion (including outside installation labor) for another 30 ponies. Just sayin’ - he’s trying to get input on making his business case which requires honest, balanced financial pragmatism from his target market. I am firmly in the market and hopeful - but, brutally realistic about affordability and general stock-like appearance.
But if you're really only looking ~30hp and money is that tight, then you ought to just port your own intake and that'll get you to about the same place, on a stock engine. Cheap....effective. Just sayin'
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
I have received the contact information from a fellow ASU member and plan to contact them this week and hopefully set up a meeting to include a LIVE view of the manifold in person so they can have a good idea of exactly what I'm planning on doing. Hoping for the best and if it is feasible I have more plans to incorporate into the manifold as tweaks. I have heard they have a flowbench and high end 3D scanner.
I also would have to do other things if everything falls into place and planets line up just right like some testing. I'm sure I know some people in Australia that would be willing to do some testing...again?
Jus sayin'.
I also would have to do other things if everything falls into place and planets line up just right like some testing. I'm sure I know some people in Australia that would be willing to do some testing...again?
Jus sayin'.
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Thanks so much for your help. There are folks here that might be able to reciprocate as it seems you are a lurker with a '92. Welcome! If yours is in excellent, low mileage there are some awesome C3 brethren here who just may be willing to trade their C3 for yours if you're interested in joining the C3 hobby. You might have to throw in a few thousand $ but you will be on your way and a welcome contributor to the C3 forum! Good luck!
Good one. Why didn't you answer my intake question? 
I had a CFI car for a long, long time...and based on what you've written, I took it way further than you have or will. So no I'm certainly not a "lurker" and yes, you are definitely welcome for the help and good information that you've received from a knowledgeable person on the C4 forums.
BTW, nice move on the C4/3 trade attempt...Ironic that you can't afford an intake...but throw shade at a C4 owner over values?
Know this; if I wanted a C3, I'd already have a C3. 
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@Buccaneer thanks for the update! I'm interested to hear what tweaks you might want to make, but I guess I'll be patient.
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
@Buccaneer thanks for the update! I'm interested to hear what tweaks you might want to make, but I guess I'll be patient.
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
I have talked with another company today and have a meeting setup for tomorrow with there sales and engineering for the possibility of another venue for manifold production. I'm excited to see if this is a viable option and maybe work out perfectly. Thanks again for all that are interested in yet another chapter of the Renegade.
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I have talked with another company today and have a meeting setup for tomorrow with there sales and engineering for the possibility of another venue for manifold production. I'm excited to see if this is a viable option and maybe work out perfectly. Thanks again for all that are interested in yet another chapter of the Renegade.
(kidding but not) Glad to hear things are going places though. I'm looking forward to hearing more when you know!
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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
Funny you should mention that. That VERY subject came up and it would be doable and other things. Mmmmmm... More as I find out things tomorrow.
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