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Thanks, I will certainly look into Summit. I spent huge amounts of time reading Grumpys stuff and there was huge amounts of it!! And then one day.....GONE!
OUCH, i never copied anything...sad
@84 4+3 My '84 has a full Melrose exhaust system but I don't think it's to 13.8. I would have had to got a good Renegade intake for that.
I don't think intake and exhaust would get a 13.8 either honestly. Slight bump in cam would be close. There are too many 84s I'm trying to keep track of damn it.
This is a great place to be isn't it? Thank you all for taking the time to chime in with a blast of knowledge. I am thinking Renegade. I have followed this intake for a while in this forum as well as others. It really is a great bolt on! I am frustrated reading about all the quality issues. I work in a manufacturing environment and this quality would NEVER pass! So I am at a crossroad, A) I spend the money and get it! Or B) I port an extra one I have. I do live near the Summit location in Ohio. I could stop there and physically look at what they have for stock. Either option has to be done! Poor thing is bound, gagged and barely alive. But...we can fix this. Once again thank you all and hope to share some success soon!
-Nick
Hi Nick
if you can get a good one that’s a better option than porting the old one. But there are plenty of people here who have ported the existing intake and are happy with the results.
I don't think intake and exhaust would get a 13.8 either honestly. Slight bump in cam would be close. There are too many 84s I'm trying to keep track of damn it.
Oh and yeah over 50 thousand 84s built so there are still a lot out there and a few here. Hell I know of at least three near me in Brisbane Australia.
I burned a type R in my Colorado. Put about 3 trucks on him because he was sleeping and he never made it back up lol. They're not that fast lol.
First gear in my Colorado is done after about 10 feet. The only things it will beat are mums in people movers and then only if they don’t know it’s a race.
First gear in my Colorado is done after about 10 feet. The only things it will beat are mums in people movers and then only if they don’t know it’s a race.
I went to Summit yesterday and looked at a Renegade. It appeared to be decent quality. I was really nervous and excited because I am financially ready to buy it.
Well, today I'm seeing it a little differently and I got my glasses on, haha! (I'm about that age). My biggest areas of concerns are the dizzy hole/bracket hole and there is a hump above where EGR passage is, respectively shown in the pics below.
Q: Can this cause alignment issues installing dizzy? If it is engaged in the oil pump at the bottom, then the camshaft gear, will this hole being slightly off cause binding or unnecessary wear on either.
Q: Can this "hump" be finished flat? Or will I eat into EGR wall too far. I am not running one and I will plate off the top. All the other runners a smooth and flat at bottom with very minimal casting marks.
@BlackVetter I'm no expert but I do believe the dizzy hole could be easily fixed by a machinist. Idk about the EGR but overall yours looks a lot better than mine. I probably would have kept mine if it was that close. Just make sure your intake ports line up with the gasket because mine did not.
I would certainly have no problem taking of that"fin" off, but that fin wouldn't be there if hole was centered. I'm sure there was a point where the program begins to drill. I'm wondering about alignment. Dizzy shaft may be angled if that hole isn't where it's supposed to be.
I think you could clean up the distributor hole with a dremel in about 5 minutes. Still, it's ridiculous to need this "post-processing". This isn't a cheap part!!!!
I am no stranger to cleaning things up like, de burring, chamfering edges, chasing threads, and so on. Even mild porting. Fully capable. Issue is more with the darn distributor shaft not being perpendicular to block right above oil pump and cam. I'm not experienced enough to know how much I can get away with.
And the port floors on cylinders 6 and 8? If I grind that hump down, will I be left with a hole? I could always take it back and roll the dice on another one.
On a side note I will say they were very cool with the whole thing. Props to Summit for that!
Last edited by BlackVetter; Sep 25, 2019 at 07:13 PM.
Do you think the distributor hole is drilled and machined offset? Do you have a standard intake you could take measurements off any sbc intake will do? I guess the only way to know is to put it in and see how it feels lining it up. Maybe if you put assembly grease on the distributor gear and turned the motor over buy hand you could get an idea of how well the teeth meshed. Hopefully someone has a clever way of doing it. Maybe a better way would be to use engineers blue on the distributor gear ( or colour it in with a permanent marker) turn over the motor by hand and see where the teeth make contact.
You also need to make sure there is a bit of end play once the distributor housing is tightened down.
the problem with all this is that you need to do all the work before you know if it will work.
Don't forget to check that the intake gaskets line up properly. I did a couple test assemblies before I started squeezing permatex everywhere. I found that the oil pressure fitting on the rear China wall was in the way so I removed a bit of material from the back of the intake manifold with a dremal and all was well.
i guess if the distributor hole is a long way off you could have the hole tig-ed and re-machined. Hope these suggestions are useful.
Last edited by GregMartin; Sep 25, 2019 at 08:16 PM.
Unfortunately I didn’t take a lot of photos of my intake. But from what I can see the machining around the distributor looks the same and I have no issues.
I am no stranger to cleaning things up like, de burring, chamfering edges, chasing threads, and so on. Even mild porting. Fully capable. Issue is more with the darn distributor shaft not being perpendicular to block right above oil pump and cam. I'm not experienced enough to know how much I can get away with.
And the port floors on cylinders 6 and 8? If I grind that hump down, will I be left with a hole? I could always take it back and roll the dice on another one.
On a side note I will say they were very cool with the whole thing. Props to Summit for that!
Just curious, did Summit have any comment on all the quality issues with the Renegade? I'd think there must be some ongoing dialog between them and Eddie on this...
Buccaneer in the C3 sec helped design this maybe pm him I dont see anything wrnog with it?
If you did grind on it and break through just use some JB quick it will hold fine I do it all the time on heads/intakes holds up great
Or get some Belzona if youre really worried...they fix cracked blocks with that stuff.
