Renegade Intake
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@84 4+3 was it past the 60 day return point? Also, yeah, last time I checked they had a terrible rating with the BBB but as you said, they are no longer even accredited. I only order stuff from there when I have to. Normally it's fine, like Eckler's was the only place I could find the main air conditioning compressor hose I needed. I'm just scared to order something larger like this from them.
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@84 4+3 yeah. I understand Eckler's not being a normal company. I had to wait 7 months for my Z51 Bilstein shocks but maybe it wasn't their fault because they were on backorder everywhere else as well.
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Yeah
I don’t mind dealing with Jegs but it sounds like you need someone to inspect it before it’s shipped. Does Buccaneer have any other ideas he really is a very helpful bloke. Also you could ask some questions over on the thirdgen board. There are lots of guys there with crossfire F bodies. Also how bad are we talking with the renegade? The standard intake required a lot of machining and even then there is only so much you can do with it. A poorly machined renegade might be fixable with minimum machine work. Maybe Summit will sell you the he best of the bad ones cheap.
Or like you say you can leave it. I only did the engine work on mine after it threw a timing chain. These early C4s are fun to drive in their lower HP configuration. They had plenty of torque, low weight, great handling and at 205 HP they made more power then most of the C3s built after the mid 70s. Driving it and enjoying it is a good option.
I don’t mind dealing with Jegs but it sounds like you need someone to inspect it before it’s shipped. Does Buccaneer have any other ideas he really is a very helpful bloke. Also you could ask some questions over on the thirdgen board. There are lots of guys there with crossfire F bodies. Also how bad are we talking with the renegade? The standard intake required a lot of machining and even then there is only so much you can do with it. A poorly machined renegade might be fixable with minimum machine work. Maybe Summit will sell you the he best of the bad ones cheap.
Or like you say you can leave it. I only did the engine work on mine after it threw a timing chain. These early C4s are fun to drive in their lower HP configuration. They had plenty of torque, low weight, great handling and at 205 HP they made more power then most of the C3s built after the mid 70s. Driving it and enjoying it is a good option.
It's just a bummer these quality problems have apparently been so widespread.
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I had no problem with my renegade but if you are happy with the car just keep it and drive it. The L83 has plenty of torque and is geared with that in mind.
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@swamp21 yeah the quality control issues are very unfortunate because I know the intake itself performs well if you get a good one.
@GregMartin At this with point I'm probably just going to leave it. If I want a faster car then I should just buy a faster car.
@GregMartin At this with point I'm probably just going to leave it. If I want a faster car then I should just buy a faster car.
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@swamp21 yeah the quality control issues are very unfortunate because I know the intake itself performs well if you get a good one.
@GregMartin At this with point I'm probably just going to leave it. If I want a faster car then I should just buy a faster car.
@GregMartin At this with point I'm probably just going to leave it. If I want a faster car then I should just buy a faster car.
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@GregMartin It's going great. I'm home from college this weekend so today my friend broke his '75 out of the shed even though it doesn't have bumpers and his side pipes aren't fully attached. We cruised around town and did some racing. It was fun although I'll have to be careful when he gets it done in case he decides to do anything to the intake or carb. One of my friends in the military has a 2010 2SS Camaro and he hasn't been home on the same weekend as me to race but if he is I'm a bit scared. I told him we could race when I get an LS. XD That's the thing about the '84, it's a ton of fun to drive but it's not going to win many races that don't involve quite a few corners.
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I'm having fun with my old 84, i beat some cocky kid in his BMW a few weeks ago.
First gear was close, but once i hit second my torque had him.
Not even a glance from him as i slowed down to turn.
First gear was close, but once i hit second my torque had him.
Not even a glance from him as i slowed down to turn.
Last edited by Gibbles; Sep 21, 2019 at 03:44 PM.
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A 2SS Camaro will be a very tall order. Even with the engine mods in my 84 it is no match for my 2008 6.0 LS SS Commodore. An 84 should blitz a 75 but most of those aren’t stock anymore. When someone in a fast looking rice burner is looking for a race I just look down my nose at them as if to say “are you joking this is a corvette “.
Last edited by GregMartin; Sep 21, 2019 at 07:00 PM.
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@Gibbles lol that's great. I'm just scared of V6 sedans and the Honda Civic Type R. I'd be ashamed of myself if I ever lost to a Civic but I know it's faster.
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@84 4+3 They're supposed to be quite a bit faster than the '84. Was it a type R and are you sure the guy in the Civic knew you were racing?
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@84 4+3 My '84 has a full Melrose exhaust system but I don't think it's to 13.8. I would have had to got a good Renegade intake for that.
TBH the advantage these cars have is cornering. They could handle roughly 1G or corner load back in the day on the **** tires available at the time. That’s still pretty impressive by today’s standards. When I get someone traveling a little too close I like to put on a cornering clinic..
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@swamp21 yeah the quality control issues are very unfortunate because I know the intake itself performs well if you get a good one.
@GregMartin At this with point I'm probably just going to leave it. If I want a faster car then I should just buy a faster car.
@GregMartin At this with point I'm probably just going to leave it. If I want a faster car then I should just buy a faster car.
I will say, all the comments about the sketchy Renegade build quality helped push me to this decision. Doesn't mean I won't change my mind down the road, but for now I'm going to respect the originality of it.
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Hello,
This is a great place to be isn't it? Thank you all for taking the time to chime in with a blast of knowledge. I am thinking Renegade. I have followed this intake for a while in this forum as well as others. It really is a great bolt on! I am frustrated reading about all the quality issues. I work in a manufacturing environment and this quality would NEVER pass! So I am at a crossroad, A) I spend the money and get it! Or B) I port an extra one I have. I do live near the Summit location in Ohio. I could stop there and physically look at what they have for stock. Either option has to be done! Poor thing is bound, gagged and barely alive. But...we can fix this. Once again thank you all and hope to share some success soon!
-Nick
This is a great place to be isn't it? Thank you all for taking the time to chime in with a blast of knowledge. I am thinking Renegade. I have followed this intake for a while in this forum as well as others. It really is a great bolt on! I am frustrated reading about all the quality issues. I work in a manufacturing environment and this quality would NEVER pass! So I am at a crossroad, A) I spend the money and get it! Or B) I port an extra one I have. I do live near the Summit location in Ohio. I could stop there and physically look at what they have for stock. Either option has to be done! Poor thing is bound, gagged and barely alive. But...we can fix this. Once again thank you all and hope to share some success soon!
-Nick
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@BlackVetter if you can check out the Ohio warehouse and make sure you get a good one then I would go for it. If you can't get your hands on a good one then I would leave it alone. Also, Idk what happened to Grumpy's forum.