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Old May 12, 2021 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe K
At the bottom it shows brake failure.

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Yeah, but it also says that the brakes passed.

So it's kind of contradictory. Weird.

The registration is still good for a few more weeks anyay, so that's at least on my side.

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Old May 12, 2021 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Natty C
Yeah, no. I'm not gonna let some regulator tell me how often and how far I can drive my car.

I'd rather just fix the problems.
Do you for one moment think that is enforced? Just register it as an antique and keep your regular tag, and you don't have to display an antique tag. You can get an estimated bill from an authorized mechanic registered with the state, if the cost to fix exceeds the cost of what the state thinks it will be, it can be waived. Lots of legal ways you can get around that, just have to research the DMV regs for antique vehicles.

Back to being harassed with antique tags. Lots of excuses you can use, I'm getting gas, just worked on it, checking to see how it runs, have to put air in the tires, and on and on.

Also with antique tags, no more yearly tag fees (free) while owning vehicle, no more inspections. If using as a daily driver, then forget about it.

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Old May 12, 2021 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 93QuasarBlue
Hmm none of those hoses are easy to get to let alone did they have a procedure for a 27 yo car. I was thinking a pressure tester on the filler neck. I guess I have to crack open the fsm to see it there's any info. But my old dog who is going to puppy heaven on Friday is covering that particular outlet that powers that particle light on my particular reading light. Hang tight there will be some more comments.
I already replaced the bad hose. It was pretty obvious that it was bad. It was dry rotted and split all to heck.

I'll replace the rest of them after it passes.

Sorry to read about your dog. I sure have been there and done that.
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Old May 12, 2021 | 09:45 PM
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You'll need to request better information.

As to the fuel tank, curious when the Charcoal Canister is part of the Emissions.

Check the ALL Vacuum lines from the Canister to the Engine and fuel tank. They have a tendency to fail, esp the connectors T's.

Look should find a Emissions vac diagram for your year and check that the vac lines are connected to the proper place.


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Old May 12, 2021 | 09:51 PM
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https://www.dmv.de.gov/VehicleServic...e_reg_pressure.

It's a pressure tester at the filter neck. So maybe a leak down means it's venting. It could be a split hose. Not so bad. A leaky purge solenoid or a cracked canister. ?
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Originally Posted by Natty C
Yeah, but it also says that the brakes passed.

So it's kind of contradictory. Weird.
From the form, those appear to be two completely different tests. There's a generic brake system test (the top 'PASS') and a more in-depth safety inspection (the bottom 'FAIL').
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Originally Posted by Natty C
That's what it looks like to me, too. Maybe the brake failure is just a notation, even though maybe it passed.

With the tank pressure, I'm pretty sure he clamped off one of the hoses on the canister and then went back and popped the fuel cap and pressurized it.

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wow, Delaware really breaks out the **** probe
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Old May 13, 2021 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by vette196
wow, Delaware really breaks out the **** probe
They do if you pull in there with a V8, that's for sure.

Like I said, all the rice burners in front of me were in and out in less than five munutes.

They kept me in the bay for about a half hour.

They broke out all the tools.

And they even had two people going over the car.
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so I guess the passed the ricers with the cut springs and all the other stoopid **** they do......and yes at that age we were all young, dumb and full off ***.....lol
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I am so glad I don't have to go through that crap down here in Texas. With my 84 they get in it, hit the horn, drive it about 15 mph, hit the brakes and then pull it into the bay and check the wipers, lights, signals. Done. I spend way more time there answering questions about the LS swap than what is spent on the inspection.
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Any reason you can't just go back to the inspection station and ask them to interpret the report to you?
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Old May 13, 2021 | 01:45 PM
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Does one of their technicians run your car through the brake test or do you?

The reason I ask is that I had a similar experience years ago when registering a kit car up here in CT. I saw the car before me fail because his brakes didn't grab at the same time. I knew my car (a VW bug based kit w/ drum brakes) wasn't going to do well. My father was with me at the time and he said "when you drive over the pad, hit the brakes hard."

He was right, and I passed just fine. If I had gently applied the brakes, I would bet anything that one would grab before the others. But if you hit hard, they all grab pretty close to the same time.

So if you get to run your car through, hit 'em hard. If a tech runs it through and he babies the brakes, tell him to do it again and step on the pedal like a man.

... or maybe choose to say something less inflammatory. Either way though, keep your eye on them.


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Old May 13, 2021 | 03:23 PM
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I guess I'm unfamiliar with state inspections from other states. This is insane! So they test brake performance and they pressurize your gas tank? I've never heard of such a thing. This is nuts.

I thought it was bad that here in PA they scrutinize every rust hole in the frame. Then they complain when you weld them shut.
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Old May 13, 2021 | 05:18 PM
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And....she's done.



I'm gonna go out and edge the sidewalks, I've been messing with this old beater since this morning. Now I'm a day behind on my chores.





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Old May 13, 2021 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 28uniflite
Does one of their technicians run your car through the brake test or do you?

The reason I ask is that I had a similar experience years ago when registering a kit car up here in CT. I saw the car before me fail because his brakes didn't grab at the same time. I knew my car (a VW bug based kit w/ drum brakes) wasn't going to do well. My father was with me at the time and he said "when you drive over the pad, hit the brakes hard."

He was right, and I passed just fine. If I had gently applied the brakes, I would bet anything that one would grab before the others. But if you hit hard, they all grab pretty close to the same time.

So if you get to run your car through, hit 'em hard. If a tech runs it through and he babies the brakes, tell him to do it again and step on the pedal like a man.

... or maybe choose to say something less inflammatory. Either way though, keep your eye on them.
No, we drive it through ourselves. We get up to speed and don't hit the brakes until they yell STOP!



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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody
Any reason you can't just go back to the inspection station and ask them to interpret the report to you?
Aside fro mthe confusion of it, it didn't really matter. Brakes needed servicing regardless. So, that's what I did all day. It's out of the way for a couple of more years anyway.

When I ran it through today, though, the technician said that the brakes should have been recorded as failed the first time around. But the notation at the bottom of the previous inspection report about brake failure also served as an inspection failure.

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Originally Posted by vette196
wow, Delaware really breaks out the **** probe
eeeyep. Pretty much.

But I suppose the flip side of it is that if you can pass a DE inspection in one of these old cars, it's in good shape overall.

Just as an aside, I didn't let the car heat up either time. I ran it through cold both times. The inspection lane is only a few miles down the road. So only a few minutes drive.


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Originally Posted by ihatebarkingdogs
There's another hose in the evaporation line from the tank to the canister you need to check. It is under the car, on the Left side,just inboard of where all the brake lines go up into the car for the ABS module. It is a rubber line about 3" long. The vapor line is contained with the brake line bundle from the front of the car, then the little rubber hose connection to the hard line that goes up to the tank. If the hose in the engine compartment was rotten, this one may be too.

On the next inspection, if it doesn't pass, be sure you understand the report. Ask the tech exactly what the failure(s) were. Take the time to understand. It's your problem to fix it, but you can't fix it if you don't know what failed or what is being checked.
Thanks. I replaced that one you're talking about this morning. I knew about that one, it was in the FSM. It wasn't actually bad as far as being disintegrated like the one up front that connects to the pipe going to the tank pressure control valve, but it was dry rotted.

I'm just glad those hoses were the problem because I just installed that fuel tank a few weeks ago and I was sweating it, wondering if I half-assed sa connection in there some place.

Ended up replacing all of the hoses coming to and from the canister while I was in there.
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Glad it worked out for you!

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Originally Posted by Joe K
Glad it worked out for you!

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You and me, both, brother. You and me both...

Your previous thought on it was correct. The notation on the bottom meant the brakes failed. It should have been labeled FAIL in the top section of the first section.

In the system, it was recorded as FAIL, though.

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