C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

91 surging

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 25, 2022 | 11:36 PM
  #21  
sheriffjim's Avatar
sheriffjim
Thread Starter
Racer
All Eyes On Me
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 409
Likes: 82
From: NW Arkansas
Default

excellent thank you
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2022 | 12:30 AM
  #22  
sheriffjim's Avatar
sheriffjim
Thread Starter
Racer
All Eyes On Me
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 409
Likes: 82
From: NW Arkansas
Default

Alright I vacuum tested the fuel pressure regulator by connecting a hand-pump to the vacuum line. It does not hold vacuum. I'm assuming that means the FPR is broken since it should hold vacuum from the plenum. So I replaced the regulator diaphragm but the problem is not fixed. Could the cap be causing the issue? I don't see any damage to it, but its not stock and seems like a cheap adjustable unit.
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2022 | 09:18 AM
  #23  
VikingTrad3r's Avatar
VikingTrad3r
Oil Producer
Supporting Gold
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 9,372
Likes: 2,736
Default

Originally Posted by sheriffjim
When I start my 91, the rpms drop until it almost stalls, before it jumps up and falls again. It's sort of a rythmic up-and-down, where it almost stalls, catches itself, and goes back.
Fuel pressure tester indicates 42PSI at the rail, which immediately after the fuel pump shuts off drops down to 38 or so. It'll drop of slowly from 38, but fast enough that I can see the needle moving.
This is happening after the engine started to stumble at low acceleration, causing bucking and roughness. Under high load or throttle, the stumbling would smooth out. I can't keep it running long now, but while it was idling I could smell raw fuel from the engine bay, and there was excessive backfiring leading me to believe it was running super rich.

Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks!
Can you confirm that the car was running fine and the changes were sudden and now all of this? Thnx
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2022 | 09:23 AM
  #24  
sheriffjim's Avatar
sheriffjim
Thread Starter
Racer
All Eyes On Me
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 409
Likes: 82
From: NW Arkansas
Default

Originally Posted by VikingTrad3r
Can you confirm that the car was running fine and the changes were sudden and now all of this? Thnx
A couple weeks before it started to buck under light throttle, and smooth out under high throttle or high load. Then it started running really rough after it was warm, to the point where it didn’t want to rev, but it would idle fine. I wasn’t driving it at this point, but had to take it out once to retrieve OBD information, while I was doing that the car died suddenly while on the road (under load) and this started. It’s been undriveable since then.
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2022 | 04:48 PM
  #25  
VikingTrad3r's Avatar
VikingTrad3r
Oil Producer
Supporting Gold
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 9,372
Likes: 2,736
Default

would you desribe your bucking as “trailer jerking” or “fishbiting”?

your issue appears to me, to be related to something electrical, and something global (affects all cylinders).

possibly, an intermittent fuel pump pressure issue but depends on how “bucking” is is occurring.

we could go through the whole fuel compression and properly timed spark thing, but i can summarize and say i think you have a spark issue.

Based on my experience (limited to 5 L98 cars and 1LT5 car) has been:

- an 87 which bucked and trailer jerked me around, then finally gave up firing at all. Took the cap off the dizzy and the metal strap from the distributor feeding the high powered electricty from the button on base of coil, to the tip of the rotor, had broken. As it was failing, spark began to get real dirty and disrupted.

- an 85, first the coil was weak and intermittent. Grounds were all checked in dizzy, it was the coil itself. replaced with another used coil fixed

- an 85 second time was the ignition control module. Which, yours could also be.

- an 89, it was either the capacitor beside the module or the pickup coil down in the dizzy stem.

- a 90, it was the ecm. looked like it had gone down on the titanic and was reinstalled in my car. It was just plain electrically unpredictable.

thats what your initial observations make me think of.



But i do have to say that the gasping in your video to me is most times indicative of minimum idle that is way way out. but it was idling fine so the min idle adjustment is probably fine. Its possible the IAC is failing or cannot keep up to the changes. Could also be the tps not set right. As mentioned earlier.

But im leaning towards ignition, and something global.

Typically when coolant temp sensors fail, they make a hard warm start condition (flooding engine because ecm is incorrectly being told its cold, because cts is fubar).

Last edited by VikingTrad3r; Jan 29, 2022 at 12:19 AM.
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2022 | 11:03 PM
  #26  
sheriffjim's Avatar
sheriffjim
Thread Starter
Racer
All Eyes On Me
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 409
Likes: 82
From: NW Arkansas
Default

I would probably describe it as a jerking. It's difficult to describe but it was a sudden and repetitive lurching under low throttle. Felt like the car was just continuously jumping forward violently.

I'll check the ignition system, but it has a brand new distributor in it, as well as brand new spark plugs and MSD cables. Additionally, the FPR isn't holding any vacuum pressure and the vacuum line smells strongly of gasoline. There's also a strong smell of gas in the plenum and runners, however I haven't found any pools or anything. That's what leads me to believe its a fuel issue.
I'll check everything you mentioned though, I appreciate the input, and I'll keep the thread updated if anything new happens.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2022 | 12:32 AM
  #27  
VikingTrad3r's Avatar
VikingTrad3r
Oil Producer
Supporting Gold
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 9,372
Likes: 2,736
Default

Lurching forward is different than trailer jerking / fishbiting. the latter is being tugged backwards.

For some reason i thought that you had already replaced the fpr with no change. apparently not! yes! thats most likely it then! that would also be global.

If its lurching forward at low speed or just off idle, then you are probably running real rich due to the leak into the plenum. the sudden and then worsening nature maybe correlative with an initial abrupt rupture and then with time that rupture got bigger.

look forward to hearing its all fixed and you are enjoying the car
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2024 | 01:06 PM
  #28  
pittstop2012's Avatar
pittstop2012
1st Gear
 
Joined: Feb 2024
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Default

Did you ever find the problem ? I’m having the exact same problem.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:51 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE