OK, that is just odd as hell. I never heard of that happening on a stock motor. I even drove the 82 that was first used for testing. The 82 used was a daily driver and the owner never mentioned that issue ever, nor did I see that. I can't explain that stumbling or odd dyno graph at WOT. However, 50 hp gain is pretty impressive for a manifold change. We only said a 30hp gain to the rear. As for the completely screwed up Renegade, yes, that is why we PULLED our tooling away from EMS in CA. They screwed everything up on the machining and was a real **** show, really making us look bad back then. All the manifolds with a serial number stamped on them by the EGR on the top flange area is a good manifold. I hand stamped all of them and they were all poured and machined here in Arizona, not Cali.

The only issue that I know of for sure is the odd stumbling with a hard line fuel system, because I had that and figured out what was going on. It is a harmonic issue with the injectors pulsing and the hard lines. GM must have saw this as well with the camaro line and put a damper in-line to stop that from happening. They may have used that on other cars as well, not sure. I just used rubber fuel hose.

 

I am guessing you are with Xfire-Performance or know someone over there? I reached out to Xfire about four months back. I was trying to get a decent renegade intake before switching to the bored TBI. One of these days I would like to get my hands on the intake from if it ever goes into production. Do you know anyone over there or got a line on a Renegade intake? If nothing else, I want a show piece in my garage.

 

That's the one. Those first two are what in thinking of.

The dyno chart on the other one isn't as bad as I remember. Mine looked wild when it was happening, total loss of power at the harmonic band.

And yes, Tom is the guy you want to talk to about the Renegade. I've been poking the bear for a while now lol.

 

This is good info.

 

Yes, I know people at XFire Performance. The EBL issue needs to be fixed for CFI before anything else moves forward. This issue hopefully is just about solved. It seems like nothing EVER moves quickly anymore, just getting people to actually work is a feat all by itself. On another note...I did see a slightly used Renegade on eBay recently (within the last two weeks) that went for $1,200. It did not have a serial number on it, so it was an EMS manifold. All bets off if it's a good one at that point. They do pop up from time to time, keep watching if you want one and GL.

 

This video is a good video. The guy is a good wrench and does good work. He did a nice job cleaning up the electrical when he converted from the DCS Renegade manifold to a single TBI. This was the video that took me off my quest to find a Renegade manifold. Which was a bummer, I wanted to pop my hood and show off my Crossfire setup and blow minds.

The guy in the video used a stock TBI truck intake manifold and stock TBI and said the performance was much improved. I plan on putting my TBI setup on the dyno and comparing to the Dyno numbers to the 198hp that the Renegade put to the wheels.

 

I know this guy and he has been to my house. I even gave him a Renegade while he was here. I believe that car has been sold and he was working on a Chevelle or something the last I talked with him. I also believe he has had 13-14 CFI cars in his lifetime.

 

Yeah, I contacted him to buy his Renegade, but he said it was sold.