I can't believe it :mad :mad :mad No sooner did I finish taking the blue towels out of the runner holes when a bolt fell out of my hand and guess where it went. Runner hole #8.

What do I need to do to get it out? I'm sure it's extensive. I'm not kidding, I'm all done, except bolting on the cover. This sucks. [edit] On purpose, I dropped two more down there to see if I could tell how far they fall when they do and where they drop to. I used and ruined a couple of those long magnet wands fishing around down there to no avail. If someone would be so kind, could you use paint or something and draw me a diagram of what it might look like from the top of that thing down to the bottom? [edit]





[Modified by sspackman, 1:49 AM 7/7/2003]

 

If the magnet trick didn't work, then you have to pull off the runner and maybe the lower intake.

There is no other choice, sorry.

How big was the bolt ?

Vic

 

Whatever you do, DO NOT turn the engine over!

Can you see the intve valves on that runner that the bolt fell into? IF you can't pull the valve cover and see if its open or closed. If its closed then the bolt CAN"T get into the cylinder. In which case you should be able to either suck it out with a shop vac, less successful. Or better through the use of a magnet. In case you do not know...the runner that you dropped it down feeds air to the opposite side of the engines cylinder. So that is the valve you need to check to see if its open or not. It the valve it open (compressed Spring) and you search and search with a magnet, you have a big big problem. I don't want to be the one to tell you this, But if the bolt made its way into the cylinder. You get to have all the fun you just had all over again :(

You'll have to pull everything including the heads to get it out. :(

Also, I can't remember, but find another alike bolt and make sure its magnetic :crazy:

Again Whatever you do, Do not turn that engine over by hand or even cranking. If you do it will open the valve and allow it to pass into the cylinder or worse crush it between the piston/valve/head.
Good luck....be patient, I would imagine its still in the intake track. Go get a good strong magnet with a very flexible neck on it and go fishing!
:cheers: :blueangel:

 

Even though its a pain yank the plenum and the passenger side runer. Then get a magnet on a wand down there, taht SHOULD get it. Whatever you do don't turn the engine over.

 

:iagree: try a magnet on a string and kinda throw it down there

 

I'd be scared the string would break. :)

 

Here is my schematic :lolg: I had fun drawing that. :rofl:



The tops is the runner with the valve. Hopefully its before the valve :blueangel:

 

Do you have any friends that are mechanics?

I did the same thing and I did not know what runner it went down, but I borrowed a friends bore scope and used it to look down the runner. I saw the bolt and used one of those long springy tools with a magnet on the end of it.

D*mn, I know how you feel.

Good luck.

 

:iagree: But, go drink a beer first to settle down. There are a lot of tools that could help you. Do you know any Dr.? There is a spring tool that has a 3 prong grabber at the end. Just locate the bolt first, then get it out. Here's one, turn the car upside down and shake. :lolg: :rofl: :lol: :D Don't give up it's doable.

 

You're so evil. :D

 

What....you didn't like that? :D That paint program isn't exactly a cad system, not to mention I didn't have my 20 cups of coffee before I started on that masterpiece. Its the general idea. Although rough, it gets the point across. :cheers:

The key to knowing how much trouble he's in is to check that intake valve's position. It its closed you can just keep fishing till you find it. If its open you could be in serious danger of knocking it in past the valve, or getting it wedged in between the valve and the valve seat. In which case you will could even do worse damage when you take the Rocker off and the spring pulls the valve back up. It could gaul the valve or the valve seat. :cry


[Modified by ski_dwn_it, 9:52 AM 7/7/2003]

 

Since I'm lazy and didn't read everything..... what kind of bolt was it dropped in? Was it one of the superram plenum lid bolts? God I hope not, they're small.

 

DId you get any of the bolts out? I'm not sure I would have thrown another 2 down in there. :skep:

That is 3 x the chance of knocking one down past the valve if its open. :confused: Again make sure that the ones you dropped down in there, are able to be picked up by a magnet. If you have luck like mine, they won't be. :confused:

 

Shayne, Jesse and Scorp are right, check the intake valve on #7.... that would be the second one in from the rear. If it's closed, you know it has to be in the intake/head. Take a cylinder magnet and JB it to a coathanger for flexibility to fish it out.
If the valve is open, you can try the same thing thru the plug hole. I'm trying to remember that passage itself.....what it physically looks like........ to think if there might be a natural place that might hang the bolt up.......... When I get home later today, I'll take some pics of my runners and manifold to see if that helps. In the meantime, maybe some other member might have some shots of those detailed areas for you. Don't throw in the towel man..... not yet, I think if you take some time away from it, you'll come back a bit more fresh....... :cheers:

 

The plug hole passage?

 

Wow, great pic! No, I meant the intake as it mates to the head....... my guess is it's not thru the valve yet, even if that valve is open. Depending of course what size bolt is down there. I just looked at what I have for pics, but I don't have anything appropriate to that area. I did see the injector port which provides an opening in the area right above where the bolt may be trapped........

 

I wouldn't recommend sticking anything in through the SP hole and ramming it around in there. Your will be sure to booger (tech term :D ) up the SP threads. Which will be more of a problem. If the heads were cast maybe that would be OK. But aluminum threads are touchy. If its in the cylinder, head should come off for best retrieval.

My guess is its going to be able to be pulled from the runner with the proper setup. A bore scope would be best to use first. See where they are at and then once you have that picture in your head, go fishing.

Again make sure you pull the valve cover and take a look at the valve position. As if its open. And you get the bore scope and see that all the bolts are clear of the valve. You will want to turn the engine over to close the valve and eliminate any possible threat of it passing the valve.

 

Is tha balancer at 0* right now? If so its either TDC for 1 or 6, where does that put the #8 intake?

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8 is either on its intake stroke (yikes) or somewhere around the end of its exhaust stroke right?

 

No, it's #7. Hey, that gives me an idea......... which valves can you adjust at TDC?

 

Whoops, no clue why I said 8 there. :)