Dumbest idea ever?
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From: WATERFORD CT
Dumbest idea ever?
With all the debate over the throttle body bypass having any effect on lowering the throttle body temp has anybody ever thought about routing the freon or the r34a through the coolant passages of the throttle body?Maybe with a shut off valve or something so you can utilize it just when you want?
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (montie98)
That's too good of an idea for it to actually work, haha.
Might make your A/C run hotter though. But I'd be willing to try it. I know how much better my engine runs when it's cool and also know how much engine heat that clam-shell hood keeps in the engine bay.
I think a better idea would be to install a couple of NACA ducts on the hood (ala "Sledgehammer") or two 12V fans attached to the lower wheel well on each side to blow hot air out over the tire.
BIG JIM
Might make your A/C run hotter though. But I'd be willing to try it. I know how much better my engine runs when it's cool and also know how much engine heat that clam-shell hood keeps in the engine bay.
I think a better idea would be to install a couple of NACA ducts on the hood (ala "Sledgehammer") or two 12V fans attached to the lower wheel well on each side to blow hot air out over the tire.
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (BIG JIM 54)
I think a better idea would be to install a couple of NACA ducts on the hood (ala "Sledgehammer")
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (Mr. Magoo)
Mr Magoo, that looks good and it looks like a lot of hot air would escape through those openings. Did you do the work yourself and if so where did you get the "vents"?
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (BIG JIM 54)
I think a better idea would be to install a couple of NACA ducts on the hood (ala "Sledgehammer") or two 12V fans attached to the lower wheel well on each side to blow hot air out over the tire.
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (K87ZZ4)
I was under the impression that the "gills" on the sides of our cars accomplished just that... an outlet for engine compartment air.
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (montie98)
I thought about that a while back... but I figured that it couldn't be that easy.... it'd have to hurt you more than it helped..
Since I'm a BSME I should be able to do calculations to see how much temperature drop you'd need to make it worthwhile. The difference between that and an intercooler, is after a turbo charger, the compressed air is really hot, so there's a greater temperature difference.
But.. if we're talking freon... I dunno, it might be worthwhile.
Since I'm a BSME I should be able to do calculations to see how much temperature drop you'd need to make it worthwhile. The difference between that and an intercooler, is after a turbo charger, the compressed air is really hot, so there's a greater temperature difference.
But.. if we're talking freon... I dunno, it might be worthwhile.
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (CentralCoaster)
I'm not 100% sure that is a good idea. first i'm not sure how hot the intake gets and at what temp freon decomposes. I can't get data on 134 freon, i just know from being on (Navy)boats that freon at high temps is dangerous. but the temps to avoid are like 1000 degrees. even so you must avoid open flames. and if the is a leak inside the throttle body that freon is going straight into the chamber. also things to consider, the freon is under higher pressure than the coolant. can the lines on the throttle body take that pressue?
now i'm not an expert on refrigerants so i hope someone who is chimes in.
now i'm not an expert on refrigerants so i hope someone who is chimes in.
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (Netnarc2)
Hey Netnarc2 & redvette1986,
I bought the vents from Greenwood, here is their web page. http://www.greenwoodvette.com/options.htm
They are fully function, I can't believe how much heat they extract.
Water is dispersed out away from your engine towards my wheel area from a second scoop that bolts under the hood against the wheel shroud. This catches the water and sends it towards my wheels. I've driven in the rain many times and have yet to see one drop touch my engine.
See here.
I couldn't be happier with these Hood Louvers. :)
I bought the vents from Greenwood, here is their web page. http://www.greenwoodvette.com/options.htm
They are fully function, I can't believe how much heat they extract.
Water is dispersed out away from your engine towards my wheel area from a second scoop that bolts under the hood against the wheel shroud. This catches the water and sends it towards my wheels. I've driven in the rain many times and have yet to see one drop touch my engine.
See here.
I couldn't be happier with these Hood Louvers. :)
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From: Lake Wylie SC
Re: Dumbest idea ever? (Mr. Magoo)
Mr. Magoo, your paint job looks great! Here is a thought, In the winter, do you think they will help heat up your windshield for anti-ice or fog?
Your picture under the hood is too dark on my computer to see how it is set up. Got any others?
Thanks and it looks :cool:
Your picture under the hood is too dark on my computer to see how it is set up. Got any others?
Thanks and it looks :cool:
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Re: Dumbest idea ever? (Strick)
Mr. Magoo, your paint job looks great! Here is a thought, In the winter, do you think they will help heat up your windshield for anti-ice or fog?
Your picture under the hood is too dark on my computer to see how it is set up. Got any others?
Thanks and it looks :cool:
Your picture under the hood is too dark on my computer to see how it is set up. Got any others?
Thanks and it looks :cool:
I'll try and take some more pics when I get the Vette back from the shop, I'm having the Forced Air package put in. :cool:
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Anybody seen the new Ford Lightning? It has a special "extra" boost mode. I forget how it exactly works, but it is something like air supercooled in a holding tank by the AC system is forced over the intercooler for up to something like 10 seconds for an extra 50hp.
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From: Anaheim Ca
Re: (scorp508)
Mr Magoo, thanks for the lead. I'm going to check into it. Might be a project that I can do myself. The paint isn't in all that good a condition anyway, so If I screw it up, it'll give me an excuse to re-paint the hood. I don't drive it in the rain, so I don't have to worry about the engine getting wet. I don't even leave it outside overnight. It's a week-end car. Those vents give it a race car look. COOL. :cool:
