BETA Testing
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St. Jude Donor '06
BETA Testing
Well, It's been a long winter over here. As many of you know we have been beta testing the 3 bar from HP tuners. After many many hours or work on bugs in the system, I told Dan just screw it and do LS1 edit. Well it seems that when you flash back to LS1 edit some of the deeper programs stay in the computer. When Dan was tuning on the dyno when it got to 5200 rpm's we had a timing spike, it seems that the timing went from 12 to 30 degrees 
the air intake blew off. I think we were lucky and it didn't harm the engine. The computer is off to be reflashed to stock and then retuned. Man this is not even funny 
However before the spike we had almost 700rwhp and 690rwt at 5200rpm's that was right on target for 800rwhp or more on top.
the air intake blew off. I think we were lucky and it didn't harm the engine. The computer is off to be reflashed to stock and then retuned. Man this is not even funny However before the spike we had almost 700rwhp and 690rwt at 5200rpm's that was right on target for 800rwhp or more on top.
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Sorry to hear about your bad luck, hopefully your engine is fine.
I was under the impression that LS1 Edit re-flashes everything except boot load sector(s). I assume your running over 14.69 psi of boost other wise in a previous thread allot of good things where said about 2 bar version.
I’ve been burned by Betas form numerous vendors and the destruction/downtime was worth allot of money and aggravation. It’s never fun, but then someone has to step up to the plate and do some testing otherwise bugs don’t get resolved.
The 800RWHP mark is still not that simple, you’ll get there.
Mike
I was under the impression that LS1 Edit re-flashes everything except boot load sector(s). I assume your running over 14.69 psi of boost other wise in a previous thread allot of good things where said about 2 bar version.
I’ve been burned by Betas form numerous vendors and the destruction/downtime was worth allot of money and aggravation. It’s never fun, but then someone has to step up to the plate and do some testing otherwise bugs don’t get resolved.
The 800RWHP mark is still not that simple, you’ll get there.
Mike
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St. Jude Donor '06
Well at this time I will say one will work and one will NOT. Now I can't say that about the 2 bar system because I don't have that. The reason I wanted the 3 bar is the set-up is good for 18-20 lbs of boost. I would say at this point that the HP tuners program changes things that that LS1 does not change back. I think speed had a timing spike as well, don't really know. I don't even want to know how many hours were spent on this system 
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Originally Posted by mdhmi
Yea - and that _someone_ can be the vendor who created it.
Mark
Mark
I agree that vendors need to do a better job before going from Alpha to Beta. I’m not defending anyone here, but do understand how certain bugs don’t get caught by developers.
I have done enough code development to know that when I’m testing everything works fine (usually).
Reasons;
1) It’s my hardware and I know limitations well.
2) I know what variables are acceptable and I don’t put values that are outside expected range.
3) I know what it’s intended to do and don’t ask for anything outside that.
4) Allot of other reasons.
In an application like this it takes people who are not familiar with package to stress it, put in values that are not expected, create scenarios that code my not solve correctly, do things 1-4-3-2 not 1-2-3-4... Also even if a person is familiar with it, you still find bugs, it’s the nature of the beast. A small group of tester will never find all issues. It takes lots of users to find all bugs.
My .02, and as I said I’m not defending anybody here. It stinks but Beta is a necessary evil.
Mike
Last edited by Skunkworks; May 5, 2005 at 08:20 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '08
Originally Posted by RoadRebel
Ahh the joys...
Atleast it's making noise again
Phil
Atleast it's making noise again
Phil
phil i was talking with pete from down under and he told me that just because i have 2 bar doesnt mean that i cannot run more then 14.7
i would imagine then the tables would have to be pre determined seeing
that the map would be maxed. is this true or did i misunderstand what he was saying?
btw i got lc1 reads 0 to 5 volts so itll work with my blitz to show actual ar?
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From: Tx
The 2bar/3bar version actually change the operating code. It's not changing the calibration data like ls1edit does. Think of most tuning changes as just changing the data, but when you upgrade to the 2bar/3bar setup you actually change the code.
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Originally Posted by blu00rdstr
Interesting that HP Tuners can program places that LS1edit can't.
As an example, I think Harlan had a two-step program that would modify your stock programming instead of requiring a hardware add-on like many other two-steps do. The LS1 PCM is a powerful "brain" that could do so many cool things, if we only understood it better.