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Originally Posted by Z06VET
I appreciate your comments , but I take this comment from a position that you are suggesting that the guys at Campbell might not know what they are doing. From my conversations with them the pumps were ruled out as the cause. Once the modifications they are doing are complete and testing is done , I will pass on the information as it comes to me . 
Dan
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Have the tech call us when they are availible and the issue will be taken care of without changes to the design.
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We are working on the car as we speak tying to determine the problem. What it is for sure at this point we don't know what is it, but we do know all of the components are functioning properly.............fuel pump, regulator and so on.
We are not placing any blame on anybody as we have been doing this now for almost 30 years so we understand the problems that can be encountered, espescially when building a car of this magnitude and attempting to make 1000+HP.
Nolan has been in contact with doug at ECS and has been giving us some ideas, but we have yet to determine a 100% solution.
We'll keep you updated!
Mark Campbell
Campbell Automotive Racing
We are not placing any blame on anybody as we have been doing this now for almost 30 years so we understand the problems that can be encountered, espescially when building a car of this magnitude and attempting to make 1000+HP.
Nolan has been in contact with doug at ECS and has been giving us some ideas, but we have yet to determine a 100% solution.
We'll keep you updated!
Mark Campbell
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Originally Posted by Z06VET
I understand you have seen and personally have not had any problems . All I am passing on is that I am having the problem . The same as TTi makes a good kit , but that does not mean there are not some " problems " with it , as I am sure you understand .
Dan
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I'm sure it will be all worked out as I've never seen ECS walk away from a problem. They are guys that really care about their clients and their reputations.
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From: New Blue 9.80 @ 142MPH stock motor
St. Jude Donor '03-'06-'07-'08
Originally Posted by Z06VET
I just got back from a week in Mexico to find the car is now up and running . Cutting to the chase the following numbers were recorded on a MUSTANG Dyno and on 91 octane with the meth system active.
@ 9 psi 617 RWhp / 648 Tq
@ 13 psi 742 RWhp / 720 Tq
A partial final pull was done @ 16 psi , but the rear tires were lighting up in smoke and would just not stay on the dyno . From what Mark @ Campbell Automotive has said , the pull broke the front strap and fuel issues came up . It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level . After trying a few times @ the 16 psi level the best number they could record before the tires broke to hell was 829 RWhp / 839 Tq .
I had a chance to drive it around the block some , even with the fuel problems this thing is absolutely insane. The boys figure there is around 100 hp left to get . We were shooting for 18 psi , but their equipment just can't handle the power .
The next step is to modify the ECS system ( they have figured out the problem ) and bring the car over to a friend of Marks who has a better Dynojet and try out the fuel revisions and attempt to get a better tune .
My hat is off to the boys @ Campbell for the job they have done to this vehicle. A few of the items they have done to this car IE . oil cooler , invisible catch can and hiding of system components are one-off and fabbed up on the fly in their shop. The work they have done is second to none in my humble opinion.
Once the final bugs are worked out and testing done , I will repost results , but figured I would post what we had now as a nice little sample.
Dan
PS Anyone who thinks the t3/t4 turbos are not big enough to make any "real" power , I have to say you guys are completely off your rocker .
@ 9 psi 617 RWhp / 648 Tq
@ 13 psi 742 RWhp / 720 Tq
A partial final pull was done @ 16 psi , but the rear tires were lighting up in smoke and would just not stay on the dyno . From what Mark @ Campbell Automotive has said , the pull broke the front strap and fuel issues came up . It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level . After trying a few times @ the 16 psi level the best number they could record before the tires broke to hell was 829 RWhp / 839 Tq .
I had a chance to drive it around the block some , even with the fuel problems this thing is absolutely insane. The boys figure there is around 100 hp left to get . We were shooting for 18 psi , but their equipment just can't handle the power .
The next step is to modify the ECS system ( they have figured out the problem ) and bring the car over to a friend of Marks who has a better Dynojet and try out the fuel revisions and attempt to get a better tune .
My hat is off to the boys @ Campbell for the job they have done to this vehicle. A few of the items they have done to this car IE . oil cooler , invisible catch can and hiding of system components are one-off and fabbed up on the fly in their shop. The work they have done is second to none in my humble opinion.
Once the final bugs are worked out and testing done , I will repost results , but figured I would post what we had now as a nice little sample.
Dan
PS Anyone who thinks the t3/t4 turbos are not big enough to make any "real" power , I have to say you guys are completely off your rocker .
Nobody - and I mean nobody knows how to get fuel to a high horsepower corvette than ECS. Their system worked great on my 382 stroker/D-1sc that delivered 980 RWHP and fuel was not the problem.
On my current set up - the one that ran 9.33 at 147MPH - Fuel was not a problem.
The problem I see is someone who buys a product from another tuner's shop and can't get it right. Instead of working with the shop, and what shop is more willing to get it right than ECS?, the owner whines about about it here. This is not an assembly line process and no two car's setups are identical. That is why you make the effort to take a car to a great tuner's shop because they will not stop until it is right.
Who is campbell automotive? Never friggin heard of them. Are they a sponsor on this site. How many vettes have they tuned? Can they compare to the likes of ECS? It's not ECS's fault that you did not make the effort to go with them or another well known shop that delivers on high horsepower setups. I think your post is complete
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Originally Posted by asmokegars
Nobody - and I mean nobody knows how to get fuel to a high horsepower corvette than ECS. Their system worked great on my 382 stroker/D-1sc that delivered 980 RWHP and fuel was not the problem.
On my current set up - the one that ran 9.33 at 147MPH - Fuel was not a problem.
The problem I see is someone who buys a product from another tuner's shop and can't get it right. Instead of working with the shop, and what shop is more willing to get it right than ECS?, the owner whines about about it here. This is not an assembly line process and no two car's setups are identical. That is why you make the effort to take a car to a great tuner's shop because they will not stop until it is right.
Who is campbell automotive? Never friggin heard of them. Are they a sponsor on this site. How many vettes have they tuned? Can they compare to the likes of ECS? It's not ECS's fault that you did not make the effort to go with them or another well known shop that delivers on high horsepower setups. I think your post is complete
On my current set up - the one that ran 9.33 at 147MPH - Fuel was not a problem.
The problem I see is someone who buys a product from another tuner's shop and can't get it right. Instead of working with the shop, and what shop is more willing to get it right than ECS?, the owner whines about about it here. This is not an assembly line process and no two car's setups are identical. That is why you make the effort to take a car to a great tuner's shop because they will not stop until it is right.
Who is campbell automotive? Never friggin heard of them. Are they a sponsor on this site. How many vettes have they tuned? Can they compare to the likes of ECS? It's not ECS's fault that you did not make the effort to go with them or another well known shop that delivers on high horsepower setups. I think your post is complete
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Originally Posted by asmokegars
Nobody - and I mean nobody knows how to get fuel to a high horsepower corvette than ECS. Their system worked great on my 382 stroker/D-1sc that delivered 980 RWHP and fuel was not the problem.
On my current set up - the one that ran 9.33 at 147MPH - Fuel was not a problem.
The problem I see is someone who buys a product from another tuner's shop and can't get it right. Instead of working with the shop, and what shop is more willing to get it right than ECS?, the owner whines about about it here. This is not an assembly line process and no two car's setups are identical. That is why you make the effort to take a car to a great tuner's shop because they will not stop until it is right.
Who is campbell automotive? Never friggin heard of them. Are they a sponsor on this site. How many vettes have they tuned? Can they compare to the likes of ECS? It's not ECS's fault that you did not make the effort to go with them or another well known shop that delivers on high horsepower setups. I think your post is complete
On my current set up - the one that ran 9.33 at 147MPH - Fuel was not a problem.
The problem I see is someone who buys a product from another tuner's shop and can't get it right. Instead of working with the shop, and what shop is more willing to get it right than ECS?, the owner whines about about it here. This is not an assembly line process and no two car's setups are identical. That is why you make the effort to take a car to a great tuner's shop because they will not stop until it is right.
Who is campbell automotive? Never friggin heard of them. Are they a sponsor on this site. How many vettes have they tuned? Can they compare to the likes of ECS? It's not ECS's fault that you did not make the effort to go with them or another well known shop that delivers on high horsepower setups. I think your post is complete
I just posted saying we are working with ECS to fix the problem. We have build building and tunning 1000+hp for 30 years. I have built more big HP engines than most people here have ever seen. I never once said the ECS system was no good or we told them it was no good. I have no doubt it will work, but at this time there is a problem.
I guess because you have never heard of us that means we don't know our *** from a hole in the ground.
We ARE trying to fex this with ECS.................so relax!!
Mark Campbell
Campbell Automotive Racing
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From: New Blue 9.80 @ 142MPH stock motor
St. Jude Donor '03-'06-'07-'08
"It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level".
Then WTF is this qoute. If your shop is all you crack it up to be then this post should have never friggin happened.
I call them like I see them and this is
Then WTF is this qoute. If your shop is all you crack it up to be then this post should have never friggin happened.
I call them like I see them and this is
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Originally Posted by asmokegars
"It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level".
Then WTF is this qoute. If your shop is all you crack it up to be then this post should have never friggin happened.
I call them like I see them and this is
Then WTF is this qoute. If your shop is all you crack it up to be then this post should have never friggin happened.
I call them like I see them and this is
That was not me (0260IN3), That was Dan (Z06VET) the owner of the car. The statement was me a little premature or taken the wrong way.
I think you need to relax..............and re read the posts.
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hold up guys!!!
This is getting a bit out of control, the owner is just getting aggrivated because of a problem and vented towards us. NO problem, if you do not have patients of a saint, then this business is not for you.
Once again, let me know how we can help, e-mail pics of your set up, want to try a different pump, WHATEVER IT TAKES! The system works, it has been proven several times over, and we will find out why it is not working for you OR YOUR MONEY BACK!
What else can we say?
This is getting a bit out of control, the owner is just getting aggrivated because of a problem and vented towards us. NO problem, if you do not have patients of a saint, then this business is not for you.
Once again, let me know how we can help, e-mail pics of your set up, want to try a different pump, WHATEVER IT TAKES! The system works, it has been proven several times over, and we will find out why it is not working for you OR YOUR MONEY BACK!
What else can we say?
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From: New Blue 9.80 @ 142MPH stock motor
St. Jude Donor '03-'06-'07-'08
Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
hold up guys!!!
This is getting a bit out of control, the owner is just getting aggrivated because of a problem and vented towards us. NO problem, if you do not have patients of a saint, then this business is not for you.
Once again, let me know how we can help, e-mail pics of your set up, want to try a different pump, WHATEVER IT TAKES! The system works, it has been proven several times over, and we will find out why it is not working for you OR YOUR MONEY BACK!
What else can we say?
This is getting a bit out of control, the owner is just getting aggrivated because of a problem and vented towards us. NO problem, if you do not have patients of a saint, then this business is not for you.
Once again, let me know how we can help, e-mail pics of your set up, want to try a different pump, WHATEVER IT TAKES! The system works, it has been proven several times over, and we will find out why it is not working for you OR YOUR MONEY BACK!
What else can we say?
I visited the website and there are a lot of nice things on there but only one mention of a corvette setup.
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
hold up guys!!!
This is getting a bit out of control, the owner is just getting aggrivated because of a problem and vented towards us. NO problem, if you do not have patients of a saint, then this business is not for you.
Once again, let me know how we can help, e-mail pics of your set up, want to try a different pump, WHATEVER IT TAKES! The system works, it has been proven several times over, and we will find out why it is not working for you OR YOUR MONEY BACK!
What else can we say?
This is getting a bit out of control, the owner is just getting aggrivated because of a problem and vented towards us. NO problem, if you do not have patients of a saint, then this business is not for you.
Once again, let me know how we can help, e-mail pics of your set up, want to try a different pump, WHATEVER IT TAKES! The system works, it has been proven several times over, and we will find out why it is not working for you OR YOUR MONEY BACK!
What else can we say?
Thanks Doug..........we will get in contact with you again as soon as we know more. We are just pulling the car appart to see if we can find anything. I appreciate evrything and in no way are we uptight about your system as we know it works.........that's why we bought it from you.
As far as asmokegars..................whatever.
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Originally Posted by asmokegars
Ok - OK but where did the owner get the info to make the comment like he made?
Mark
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Originally Posted by asmokegars
Ok - OK but where did the owner get the info to make the comment like he made? I visited the website and there are a lot of nice things on there but only one mention of a corvette setup.
I visited the website and there are a lot of nice things on there but only one mention of a corvette setup. OK, I will admit I was a little taken back by that comment as well, expecially when we are as willing as possible to help, but frustration has set in and things get said. No big deal, and we are still 100% willing to help. Heck, I think they were the guys I gave my cell phone number to last week for after hours help.
what else can we do?
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Originally Posted by 0260IN3
Thanks Doug..........we will get in contact with you again as soon as we know more. We are just pulling the car appart to see if we can find anything. I appreciate evrything and in no way are we uptight about your system as we know it works.........that's why we bought it from you.
As far as asmokegars..................whatever.
Mark Campbell
As far as asmokegars..................whatever.
Mark Campbell
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
OK, I will admit I was a little taken back by that comment as well, expecially when we are as willing as possible to help, but frustration has set in and things get said. No big deal, and we are still 100% willing to help. Heck, I think they were the guys I gave my cell phone number to last week for after hours help.
what else can we do?
what else can we do?
Nothing................You have been great.
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Originally Posted by asmokegars
"It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level".
Then WTF is this qoute. If your shop is all you crack it up to be then this post should have never friggin happened.
I call them like I see them and this is
Then WTF is this qoute. If your shop is all you crack it up to be then this post should have never friggin happened.
I call them like I see them and this is
From time to time since logging onto this forum , I have noticed some vendor appreciation to such an extent as to sidetrack the main topic and turn a thread into verbal unwarranted bashing as this person here above is providing an example of. I understand the great affection many here feel for some certain vendors , and heaven be damned if someone should not speak in irreverant tones when addressing them.
If this forum is going to serve as a playground for this kind of slander and not really about the facts , then I say thanks to all who have helped me in my search to build stealth power , which was my first post , and also good bye. I won't tolerate a personal unwarranted attack , not in person and for hell sure not on the internet.
This is not the reason I come to this forum , but it sure as hell will be the reason I leave it.
Dan
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Originally Posted by Z06VET
Sigh...What rocks guys like you crawl out from under is beyond me. My advise to you is let ECS and Campbell figure this out so I can get my car back working at the level I want it too . Your input into this matter is mute. There IS a problem whether you care to have that register in that small grey mass above your shoulders or not. Like I said "it seems" , which I haven't commented on any further than that if you are able to read back . I have stated the facts here , based on a personal occurance while modifiying this car . I was under the impression that's one of the reasons for this forum .
From time to time since logging onto this forum , I have noticed some vendor appreciation to such an extent as to sidetrack the main topic and turn a thread into verbal unwarranted bashing as this person here above is providing an example of. I understand the great affection many here feel for some certain vendors , and heaven be damned if someone should not speak in irreverant tones when addressing them.
If this forum is going to serve as a playground for this kind of slander and not really about the facts , then I say thanks to all who have helped me in my search to build stealth power , which was my first post , and also good bye. I won't tolerate a personal unwarranted attack , not in person and for hell sure not on the internet.
This is not the reason I come to this forum , but it sure as hell will be the reason I leave it.
Dan
From time to time since logging onto this forum , I have noticed some vendor appreciation to such an extent as to sidetrack the main topic and turn a thread into verbal unwarranted bashing as this person here above is providing an example of. I understand the great affection many here feel for some certain vendors , and heaven be damned if someone should not speak in irreverant tones when addressing them.
If this forum is going to serve as a playground for this kind of slander and not really about the facts , then I say thanks to all who have helped me in my search to build stealth power , which was my first post , and also good bye. I won't tolerate a personal unwarranted attack , not in person and for hell sure not on the internet.
This is not the reason I come to this forum , but it sure as hell will be the reason I leave it.
Dan
Thanks DanMark
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Gosh... I would vouch for the guys at Campbell as I have known Nolan for a long time.. BUT the car made over 800 on a Mustang dyno.. 