408 + Stage X = ???
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From: South Lyon MI
Originally Posted by NICK YOSKIN
I'D imagine that m6 doesnt help either! beat youll never catch me in my ptk vert 
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From: Aurora IL
St. Jude Donor '06
Originally Posted by VETZILLA
Ahh yes the auto's do rule when it comes to being able to get traction. Just wish BFG made a 19" DR
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Originally Posted by hpcubed
Specs on cam please 
220's @ .050 with under .600 lift on a 114 lobe. It's a new lobe design we have been using on turbo engines with a very aggressive ramp profile. Spools the turbos wicked fast and makes huge torque and very flat HP curve. Usually see power peak by 5000 rpm and holds the power all the way to 6250 or more depending on boost.
Used the same type of cam on a turbo 4.3V6 and made 610HP and 750 Ft.lbs all under 5000 rpm.
Mark Campbell
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From: Edmonton Alberta
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
Used the same type of cam on a turbo 4.3V6 and made 610HP and 750 Ft.lbs all under 5000 rpm.
Mark Campbell
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But you don't know what your doing , do you ?
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From: Torrance CA
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
it's a custom grind we spec'd out.
220's @ .050 with under .600 lift on a 114 lobe. It's a new lobe design we have been using on turbo engines with a very aggressive ramp profile. Spools the turbos wicked fast and makes huge torque and very flat HP curve. Usually see power peak by 5000 rpm and holds the power all the way to 6250 or more depending on boost.
Used the same type of cam on a turbo 4.3V6 and made 610HP and 750 Ft.lbs all under 5000 rpm.
Mark Campbell
Campbell Automotive Racing Engines
220's @ .050 with under .600 lift on a 114 lobe. It's a new lobe design we have been using on turbo engines with a very aggressive ramp profile. Spools the turbos wicked fast and makes huge torque and very flat HP curve. Usually see power peak by 5000 rpm and holds the power all the way to 6250 or more depending on boost.
Used the same type of cam on a turbo 4.3V6 and made 610HP and 750 Ft.lbs all under 5000 rpm.
Mark Campbell
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Originally Posted by hpcubed
Cool. Similar to what I went with on my 402 for TT exept I went with 115 LSA. 224/226 585/587 on 112 ICL with XER lobes. Should give a nice wide powerband.
Should work wicked!! Hold on when those turbo's come on!!
It's fun!
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Originally Posted by Z06VET
I just got back from a week in Mexico to find the car is now up and running . Cutting to the chase the following numbers were recorded on a MUSTANG Dyno and on 91 octane with the meth system active.
@ 9 psi 617 RWhp / 648 Tq
@ 13 psi 742 RWhp / 720 Tq
A partial final pull was done @ 16 psi , but the rear tires were lighting up in smoke and would just not stay on the dyno . From what Mark @ Campbell Automotive has said , the pull broke the front strap and fuel issues came up . It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level . After trying a few times @ the 16 psi level the best number they could record before the tires broke to hell was 829 RWhp / 839 Tq .
I had a chance to drive it around the block some , even with the fuel problems this thing is absolutely insane. The boys figure there is around 100 hp left to get . We were shooting for 18 psi , but their equipment just can't handle the power .
The next step is to modify the ECS system ( they have figured out the problem ) and bring the car over to a friend of Marks who has a better Dynojet and try out the fuel revisions and attempt to get a better tune .
My hat is off to the boys @ Campbell for the job they have done to this vehicle. A few of the items they have done to this car IE . oil cooler , invisible catch can and hiding of system components are one-off and fabbed up on the fly in their shop. The work they have done is second to none in my humble opinion.
Once the final bugs are worked out and testing done , I will repost results , but figured I would post what we had now as a nice little sample.
Dan
PS Anyone who thinks the t3/t4 turbos are not big enough to make any "real" power , I have to say you guys are completely off your rocker .
@ 9 psi 617 RWhp / 648 Tq
@ 13 psi 742 RWhp / 720 Tq
A partial final pull was done @ 16 psi , but the rear tires were lighting up in smoke and would just not stay on the dyno . From what Mark @ Campbell Automotive has said , the pull broke the front strap and fuel issues came up . It seems the upgraded ECS fuel system isn't all that it's cracked up to be at this higher level . After trying a few times @ the 16 psi level the best number they could record before the tires broke to hell was 829 RWhp / 839 Tq .
I had a chance to drive it around the block some , even with the fuel problems this thing is absolutely insane. The boys figure there is around 100 hp left to get . We were shooting for 18 psi , but their equipment just can't handle the power .
The next step is to modify the ECS system ( they have figured out the problem ) and bring the car over to a friend of Marks who has a better Dynojet and try out the fuel revisions and attempt to get a better tune .
My hat is off to the boys @ Campbell for the job they have done to this vehicle. A few of the items they have done to this car IE . oil cooler , invisible catch can and hiding of system components are one-off and fabbed up on the fly in their shop. The work they have done is second to none in my humble opinion.
Once the final bugs are worked out and testing done , I will repost results , but figured I would post what we had now as a nice little sample.
Dan
PS Anyone who thinks the t3/t4 turbos are not big enough to make any "real" power , I have to say you guys are completely off your rocker .
Well..................Fuel system problem solved and:
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
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Originally Posted by diynoob
What ended up being the problem with the fuel system? Just curious Also, any dyno graphs yet?
Nice work!
Also, any dyno graphs yet?Nice work!
Not getting into the fuel system thing. I will be talking to doug@ECS about what we did and if he chooses to say that's fine, but last time the subject came up........................well you probably have read it.
Will post some more info soon like graphs and stuff.
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From: Colorado Springs CO
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
Well..................Fuel system problem solved and:
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
To you guys for working on the fuel system issue.I was just about to order the ECS fuel system, is this modification you did something you could repeat, maybe send you the ECS system you do your magic then send me the kit???
Do you have a special cam for a smaller ci motor??
I have the TTIX on a 346CI 729.6RWHP/721RWTQ
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From: Knoxville Tennessee
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
Well..................Fuel system problem solved and:
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
I am sure the car is an abolute beast on the street.
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From: PA
St. Jude Donor '08
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
Well..................Fuel system problem solved and:
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
e car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
e car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
SO WHAT WOULD THOSE #'s be if ran on dynojet? imagine on a dyno pak
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From: Aurora IL
St. Jude Donor '06
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
Well..................Fuel system problem solved and:
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
692HP @ 9psi on 91 octane pump gas (0 knock 11:1 AFR)
770HP @ 13psi on 91 octane and methanol
840HP???? @ 16psi on 91 and methanol with the tires smoking (still no traction)
We believe the car could make 900+rwhp no problem if we could make it hook and run it to 18 psi but the tires will no hold on the dyno and the torque from the engine comes on so hard at 3500-4000 rpm it blows the tires of no matter what we do to strap in down. We even had 350 lbs of people in the trunk.........but no help. We are going to put the car on a Dynojet next week to see if we can hook it up in 5th or 6th gear..........our Mustang dyno only goes to 160mph and were there at the middle of 5th gear.
The car with the straps of tight as possible, walks right out of the rollers and smokes the tires as soon as you get in the throttle at 14-15 psi.
Will post some video soon.
Mark Campbell
I have heard about things like this happening 
Good luck on the dyno jet. My car was spinning at 760wrhp that was with extra straps and about 400lbs in the trunk. oh what fun 
Great numbers
Gary
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OK.........we made a few more pulls at 9psi this morning and Dan drove the car on the dyno for 1 run and guess what..................
735HP / 790Ft.lbs on straight 91 octane pump gas.
NICE DRIVING DAN!!
The car is all done..............and stupid fast.
735HP / 790Ft.lbs on straight 91 octane pump gas.
NICE DRIVING DAN!!
The car is all done..............and stupid fast.
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From: Knoxville Tennessee
Originally Posted by 0260IN3
OK.........we made a few more pulls at 9psi this morning and Dan drove the car on the dyno for 1 run and guess what..................
735HP / 790Ft.lbs on straight 91 octane pump gas.
NICE DRIVING DAN!!
The car is all done..............and stupid fast.
735HP / 790Ft.lbs on straight 91 octane pump gas.
NICE DRIVING DAN!!
The car is all done..............and stupid fast.
Good work...
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From: Merritt Island Florida
Originally Posted by BLOWNZO6
I don't care what the numbers say.. those turbos are STILL TOO SMALL....
Good work...
Good work...
too small ? is this the stage X kit from TTi ? and they are too small for a 408 cui?
I plan to go this way with TTi kit for a few projects here in Euope,
hoping to see 1000 rwhp on 98 octane (94.2 us spec)
So what spec do the stage X have ?
TIA
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From: salt lake city UT
Originally Posted by Yano
Great job on the car. To you guys for working on the fuel system issue.
I was just about to order the ECS fuel system, is this modification you did something you could repeat, maybe send you the ECS system you do your magic then send me the kit???
Do you have a special cam for a smaller ci motor??
I have the TTIX on a 346CI 729.6RWHP/721RWTQ
To you guys for working on the fuel system issue.I was just about to order the ECS fuel system, is this modification you did something you could repeat, maybe send you the ECS system you do your magic then send me the kit???
Do you have a special cam for a smaller ci motor??
I have the TTIX on a 346CI 729.6RWHP/721RWTQ
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From: Detroit
Originally Posted by Z06Norway
too small ? is this the stage X kit from TTi ? and they are too small for a 408 cui?
Cheers,
Mark