First, it depends on which closeout is used but its minimal on the hot weather install and certainly is effective in the warm climates. We do NOT directly couple the intercooler to the radiator which also minimizes convection heating from the cooling components. We orginially had dual cores mounted where you do, call it evolution with a purpose because it certainly is not CHEAPER to mfg.

Second, I am looking at your C6 kit, It appears to block more airflow/surface area through the radiator than our C5 design!!!!

So, are you saying that oik will not come out the compressor side of the intake when a oil pump fails? And when the engine ingest this oil it wont harm it in any way? Especially stock hyperucrackit pistons?

Phil

 

If the return pump ever fails (and it's not likely if you utilize a high quality return pump corectly specified/sized for the application) then you won't hurt the engine as long as you don't subject the engine to high load conditions (full throttle conditions) until you have completed repairs. As I have said previously the APS return pump is a heavy duty industrial oil return pump specifically designed for this exact application, not a cheap and nasty adaption from some other non related application.

The APS oil return pump is rated for 25,000 hours of continous operation.

 

Lingenfelter kits have (or at least had) a belt driven gear rotor scavange pump in place of the idler below the power steering pulley. Never heard of any problems with those pumps. LPE put a 24 month 24,000 mile warranty on their kit. I guess that counts for something when it comes to engineered reliability as a whole in a complete FI package.

And for what its worth... front mount intercooled C5's (pick your favorite FI kit) with the stock front facia run HOT AS HELL here in the Southwest summers... and yes, I have PLENTY of experience concerning this subject. Big radiators, special scoops, and Tigershark front facia's work very well to help alleviate hot operating temps... simply add that into the cost. I'm sure the open front facia is what helps the C6 with its FI kits...

 

Ok, we will simply agree to disagree with you on what's minimal in terms of effect on engine cooling and AC performance!!! I would not call engine temps in the 250F range ''minimal'' !!! We are not debating if the front mount intercooler is effective in charge air cooling reduction, that's fairly obvious that it should be.

lol.......Good try. Fact is the front fascia on the C6 is entirely different to the C5 and it has totally different frontal airflow..............once you've conduct some hot weather testing on the C6 twin turbo (as we have at APS) then you find this our for yourself. :

Peter

 

It amazes me how people like to argue for nothing. So childish. I am going to start an argument with my co-worker and it will go like this.. My fart smells worst than your farts now there. Both setups will work in the end. Just leave it at that..

 

Stock C5s run 250s in hot weather climate, But I guess I would know that as I did testing for GM in Mesa AZ. It all comes out to balance as an overall package.

As for the C6, I am well aware of the differences and the cooler impact as well and I guess the shoe will be on the other foot in the C6 section. Just like bearing vs non ball bearing argument that you seem to be on either side depending on the argument of the day.

Phil

 

Are you guys arguing over engine coolant temp or oil temp?

 

It's more the question of why the C6 kit uses BB turbos and the C5 kit uses journal turbos instead. Both can't be the best.

 

It is simple. You have to think like they do. The C6 is an upgraded C5. BB turbos is an upgraded journal turbo. To keep things moving forward it is only logical the C6 has better turbos.

 

Lol..............that's really funny. We've done thorough testing on the C5 in 115F conditions and know exactly what happens when you place a single large front mount cooler in front of the AC condensor and engine radiator...............you fry in the car.

I guess you could say the shoe is on the other foot. The C6 has vastly different front fascia and therefore different airflow characteristics and engine/AC condensor cooling performance.

I'm big on true dual ball bearing turbos with true steel ball bearing cages (GT 42 and larger GT models)...............not so big on pretend 1/2 ball bearing turbos bases on 40 year old turbo technology and aero dynamics.

Peter

 

Its pretty obvious that you dont understand how our system installs in those applications currently.

When you do and perfom "thorough" testing as we have as well maybe you can flow as much air and lower your inlet temperatures to something more tolerable to high boost applications.

Phil

 

It's all about market share that their veing for.

Jury is still out on APS till they have a number of C5 kits out that have been in operation for a period of time.

 

Personally for me its more about someone doing something that I have refrained from doing to this point. The high road is really hard to take sometimes.

Phil

 

Now 36 months 36,000 miles.

 

In your own words

The Mocal pumps are far from bullet proof. I would also like to hold them accountable for the failures in our marinizations. I fail to find the 25k claims in the product literature.

I suspect getting to the magic 15 err 20 is getting tough as you have resorted to this type of behavior.

Its a shame A&A,ECS,STS,PTK,TTi,HP and even the Maggie and Kenne bell with their heat exhangers all cant live when its warm out!

Cheers

Alan

 

Lol............I see, I don't understand how a front mount intercooler interupts the air flow to the AC condensor and radiator, very basic engineering.

That's even funnier. Now for a compete change of topic (off radiator and AC coling performance) and onto charge air cooling performance. Happy to go there any time you want to.....I'll then get our thermal dynamics engineers involved in the discussion.

Peter

 

Wrong, how about best out of three guesses.

Yeah, It's been tough going, only 18 sold in 5 days.
Fact is when you speak with owners of C5 FI Corvettes who live and drive in high ambient conditions (115 to 120F), frequently, over heating and poor AC performance are issues which are raised and discussed.

Peter

 

Phil,

In my four years here I have never seen you fire the first shot across the bow and that I take my hat off to you. When I made my decision on what kit I should go with it was based upon design, comp. reputation and from all my prior years from the import side. TTi and APS are both not new to the FI however TTi did get into the game prior to APS when it came to the Vette market. TTi has more kits out in the market at the moment that have been road tested by the consumer while APS is still the new kid on the block. I did consider LPE and would have gone that route if they didn't change their header configuration, use hi temp plastic tube for the intake and wanted thousands more just for their name.

It's apparent that APS wants to sell their kits and I'm sure that they will sell their fair share after they have been market tested for xxx period of time.

I never saw you get into it when STS first entered this market and I know from following these threads you didn't fire the first shot.

Be who you are and never change as that's what has brought you to the front of the pack.

BTW for all those who don't know me I am a TTiX owner with a highly modded ride living on the East Coast and have never seen my oil temps exceed 230 in 100+ degree weather even well exceding the legal speed limits.

I hope that this thread doesn't turn into a pissing match any more than it has or else I'm going to have to get my Dad to come over and beat up your Dad!

 

Well all I can say is I have not one overheating problem at all and I will also say Glenn ICULOOKIN HAS NOT HAD ANY COOLING PROBLEMS AT ALL!!!!! Phil was down here last August and tuned my car ant it was 117 Deg out side and all the tuning was done on the street in traffic and on the freeway my car never say above 230 Deg and that was beating the hell out of it. So get your shxt straight before you say something that you dont have facts on. And to the best of my knoledge we are the only TTi Xkits in the state!!!!!!!

Kevin

 

Who asked for your 2 cents, you never came back to visit us!