First off I'm writing this on a phone with a very aggressive auto correct, so if I mispell I apologize.

I'm going to be returning from a deployment at the end of the year, so I still.have plenty of time to make a decision on a forced induction system. The two main products iv been looking at are the lingenfelter roots type SC setup, or the STS TT setup. First off I'll tell you my goals.

My car is currently a well kept 02 Z06 with less than 50k on the machine. Car is a beast without modification. I'm want to build a 10 sec. car. There is a lot of low end power from this car as the average driver is concerned. However going faster is just and itch I can seem to reach. With that being said I'm concerned with the supercharger being to much and falling off where a turbo would gain. I know I'm going to start a war here, sorry.

This project isn't so much a turbo vs. SC decision as it is getting the right amount of power where it belongs. I daily drive this girl, and want to keep my reliability as well as gain the experience and pride of installing the kit myself. So leaning towards turbo seems to be the right decision for traffic and mid to high end power. But the response from a SC is something a turbo will never best, IMO. I would really like to keep my baby fast/mild, sexy/mean, powerfull/reliable. I know it sounds contradictory but I'm a bit odd myself.

So between the two kits I would really like to know a few things:
If the STS has more than one style bolt on - can't call during my hours

Install difficulty isn't a prob. But are the close impossible for a reg garage

Performance experience and DD drivability

What special tools I might get to add to my arsenal

Modifications - besides hood for the lingenfelter

STS oil configuration: independent or vampire from engine sump.

Cust. Sppt experience with either company

Common problems people have seen with these systems

And finally pricing, Lingenfelter seems cut and dry

As far as about me, I live in Florida currently and will have other options.of.transport so the car can sit in pieces. I'm not am aggressive driver, however I do like to have fun and find that twist road to romp on. And I like to say I'm meticulous, but my wife would argue quantity I clean the house, HA!

I've searched arround the forum and see these same question pop up from time to time without answering just brand bashing. I'm hoping the collective knowledge here can.help me with my research and decision.

I do.thank you for.your time

 

seems like what u really need is a A&A kit

 

I live in FL too...find me a roots car in FL and a STS car and we can go walk all over them with my A&A kit and then you can decide if you still want a roots blower or an STS

 

I'd ditch both ideas and go centri. The roots type blowers hit hard down low but lack top end power. A roots style blower will not outperform a centri blower. The roots will heat soak much quicker as well, IME. The crazy torque down low on the roots blower will make the car hard to launch off the line, and will probably produce massive wheel hop if on street tires.

The STS system isn't all that great. If you're going to do turbo, do an APS or TTi kit. The only thing with turbo systems is they can sometimes be finicky, they are much more $$, and they have a lot more parts. Plan on spending about 15k dollars to do a turbo kit right, and that won't include a forged bottom end.

A centri is the best of both worlds. It will make good torque down low, and great power up high. The reliability is great and if you get a good kit (ECS), you won't have belt slip problems. Plan on spending 8-12k dollars for a centri setup, done right. Of course you can get away with it for cheaper, but is it worth the sacrifice? If you love the turbo sound, get an ECS kit and slap on a Tial 50 BOV and have fun. That's what I am going to be doing hopefully in July or August. Good luck!

 

I am with you come on with the roots or the sts.For the money and perforance A/A YSI or a F1 for sure...Robert

 

Don't do it man. It's like Pringles once you start, you can't stop. Run away!

 

I'm not afraid to broaden my horizons, but the same questions on an a&a, I can't find that kit online. Is it top.engine mount? What would you do for a fouled plug, or what about under hood temps? Does.the atmosphere really keep.these things.from melting all around them?

On the contrary, I don't want to built a rocket to visit the moon. I do want to get the best my my dollar, can see buying a kit that pickles and dimes me. ( not saying the A&A does, I'm just talking about other kits in general)

 

thanks for your opinion, this is the kind of answer I'm looking for

 

No problem, let me know if you have any more questions about specifics between diff kits. I have been researching FI for quite some time now.

 

Info about A and A for ya.

http://www.aacorvette.com/

Steve and Andy at A and A are great and the system is well thought out. I have this on my car, a stock LS1 trough stock manifolds. Runs like stock till ya put the go pedal down then ya better pay attention to whats going on.

On another note look at ECS centri system while your at it, its also a very nice system.

Good luck with your decision,

Darion

 

I just googled "a&a supercharger" and "a&a corvette" and A&A's site was the first thing that came up.

Not trying to be a dick, but I suggest spending a half hour reading through some of the threads on this forum. I'm actually really surprised you were considering anything but ECS and A&A from the start

 

Dang, guys working off of a phone on a deployment, maybe cut him some slack its just a public forum.

Back on topic,

Darion

 

Just hang around and learn what works for others, it will help your project go smoothly. When I first started looking, I wanted a KB or STS because they had the most advertising. Instead I went with TTiX and very happy with the results, especially support after the sale. As already mentioned, you can't go wrong with a centri from ECS or A&A. Proven winners and large fan base, so you'll get lots of support here too.

 

I'm seening a trend with the centri SC's. Even tho its a shell design it's still a supercharger, why would they outperform a roots style and keep producing power like a turbo? Just looking for education here.

Yeah I've seen the a&a Centri setup on the website before, but not their TT setup advertised. Very skeptical when it comes to production sites, not bad nothing but people are still out to sell a product I.e. 25HP gaining cat back systems :/

I've been perusing the forum quite a bit, but like I mentioned before I have specific questions. :p

TTiX is a beautifull kit, but the price steers me away, I obviously do not make alot of money, but at the same time you get what you pay for. With that note I'm not goin to fleabay to even consider go fast parts for my baby.

I have till November to make a decision so, shoot me some readin materials. I'm able to get to a comp every once in awhile, but my phone is my life line at the moment.

 

[QUOTE=bladeboy2025;1577358761]I'm seening a trend with the centri SC's. Even tho its a shell design it's still a supercharger, why would they outperform a roots style and keep producing power like a turbo? QUOTE]

Look at them, they are basically the same physically, one spun by a belt the other by exhaust.

 

So a roots style won't pull in the same amount of air at high RPM, than a centrifugal? If there is that much of a limitation, then why are they still selling?

 

The A&A Vortech kit I just installed works perfect for me in my daily driver. You do not know its there except for an incredible amount of new power. It idles and drives just like before. Fuel mileage seems just the same, 16+ in my first tank of city driving (not pushing it until I got the dyno tune done). You will not regret it. Look around for a good installer if you are not going to do it yourself, and a good tuner to finish it up either way.
There are others who make more power, but there are trade-offs and additional expenses to make even more power, but close to 600 RWHP will allow tons of fun for a one stop deal.

 

Fyi, the A and A turbo is more of a one-off system then a production product ready to sell. Read through below and you should get an idea. There is clearly interest in the system but none for sale at this point I don't believe. When A and A is mentioned it is with their centri system in mind.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...-no-maybe.html

As for centri vs PD check this out as a start. You can do a search on the topic and find more.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-f...rchargers.html

Darion

 

They sell because of people like you, who aren't in the best position to do their homework.

Actually, that's not fair, because for a street driver, a PD blower can be the biggest giggles. I have a centri, and like it just fine, but I can still see the advantages of a positive displacement blower for tire-burning potential at off-idle speed.

Get to a certain power level, and honestly, what are you going to do with it? If you race at the track, you may need everything you can get. On the street, do you want to frighten old ladies, yourself, or what?

Street race, and you're basically traction limited with these cars. Will you be able to do a burnout every time a challenge comes up at a light?

 

Because of people like me eh? Well you know if it looks good on paper it must be true lol. This is the crap I'm trying to cut through, the media hog wash that's not really tangible.

Making old ladies give me the stink eye and children run in terror doesn't sound so bad. I won't be tracking.....well I don't have one around that is. It's mainly a street car, but I'm not out to race a pummel every Porsche and ricer I see.....but it is fun XD. This is simply for my pleasure, I would like to track a bit in the future, but the closest "track" IKO is in Alabama and its a strip with cones in the parking lot.

I know the PD is great instant power, not to mention the looks under the hood :drool: , but tires are expensive. I'm kind of leaning away from it for that reason, but there's a grin factor involved too. Look at the ZR1.....

Centri's got awesome potential where the PD falls out, more like a turbo IMO. Seems a lot more people have them, and I don't want to be a sheep but they're buying for a reason. Then there's the talk about the RPM curve being to late for a SC, but I wonder if people are just being picky and exaggerating the lag and responsiveness.

Then turbo are turbos. Great sound and can produce an endless well of energy. But I don't/ can't have a car strictly for racing. They are highly tunable from what I've been reading as well. Plus a PITA to manage.

Honestly I'm still lost, because the more I read in the forum it seems like it becomes a turbo/centri/SC pissing contest. And I know inevitably it comes down to personal preference, but still not looking to get buyers remorse in sense.