I sell Torco for $72 for a case of 6 Quart cans. Mix one can with 93 octane in a 19 gallon tank and get a minimum of 97 to 98 octane.

I make the same offer to you Sandra, try it and please get your facts straight on Torco before you make absurd statements as to what it costs.

Why did I engage with her again????


[Modified by jbsblownc5, 10:45 PM 6/7/2004]


[Modified by jbsblownc5, 10:53 PM 6/7/2004]

 

Sandra, why not buy a case and analyze the ingredients for us? I'd be interested in knowing.

One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21 :shocked:

 

UUUhhhhhh, doing basic math on this tells me that going with Torco it'll cost me $12.00 a tank (18 gallons) to make 96-98 octane.......going with Toulene from my local paint store @ $9.85 a gallon, and using three gallons for 97 octane will cost me approx $30.00/per tank.

Gimme ordering instructions on the Torco please- I want to try this stuff.

 

oops- double post


[Modified by Busa196, 9:19 AM 6/8/2004]

 

In California, law restricts aromatics to 30% of a gasoline blend. Elsewhere it may be as much as 40%. The effect additional toluene or xylene has on pump gas is unpredictable for two reasons: 1) the octane boosting ability of both is less effective on premium pump gases than on regular grade gas because of the aromatics premium gases already contain, 2) toluene and xylene have high octane ratings alone but lower octane when blended with other gasoline components.

Toluene and xylene have specific gravities higher than pump gas so the more of them you add, the leaner you need to calibrate the engine’s air/fuel ratio. Once you calibrate for toluene- or xylene-spiked, DIY racing gas; don’t go back to running conventional gasoline until you recalibrate to a richer mixture or you’ll be burning pistons.


"Adding more toluene," Tim Wusz told us, "will increase the octane numbers of the gasoline, but when you get above 45 or 50%, throttle response is poor and the flame speed is reduced to where increasing amounts of fuel are still burning as combustion gases are forced out the exhaust valve. Once that happens, power is lost, not gained." Image: author.



Both have less volatility, so engines burning gasolines laced with high concentrations can be more difficult to start when cold.
In addition to handling, mixing, calibration, drivability and performance problems associated with DIY race gas, it has a lousy business model, too. A late-model Corvette with a medium-boost, aftermarket supercharger kit at the drag races on a warm day might need 97.2-oct. to keep the engine out of detonation. Toluene, used as a blending component, is 103.5-oct. To make 10-gal. of 97.2-oct., DIY race gas (1:1, 91-oct. unleaded and toluene) costs $42.80. Do it with 91 and 100 unleaded gasolines, you mix 3:7 for $32.05. Because a 1:1 mix of toluene and pump gas costs you performance and throttle response due to slow burn speed; not only is DIY race gas a lot more expensive, but it won’t perform as well, either.

The economics of xylene are worse than toluene. Xylene from industrial sources is "mixed-isomer" and has less octane boosting ability than toluene and a higher unit cost. The higher octane, single isomer varieties of xylene, typically obtained through science and laboratory supply businesses, are obscenely expensive, upwards of $100 per gallon

 

I tried Torco last night... It did work,but I had to use two cans to a full tank of 93 octane gas. I am posting all my findings in the FI section, along with data-logs and my current High Octane Spark table and the amounts of boost I have been testing with....

Have a looksy... http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=837046


[Modified by SideStep, 2:05 PM 6/8/2004]

 

Quit trying to use science with these guys. Just let them believe this octane booster is magic so everyone can have that warm fuzzy feeling inside....

 

You sound like you know what you're talking about. What is your opinion on "octane boosters" like this "Torco" product we're talking about? Is it possible to get 10 gallons of 91 octane to (effective) 98 octane with 10 oz of anything? How about 10oz of "Torco"?

Thanks,
Terry

 

IMO, we should not expect to build 600, 650, 700, 770 or 800 Hp motors and run on pump gas... that is some kind of fantasy. With changes in temps and altitudes anyone who runs even a stock C5 hard should be running higher octane fuel anyway.

I dont see the argument here about what to buy, blend or smoke to make a High HP car run correctly. I for one knew going into the upper end of HP in my car would involve money to build it and also expensive fuel to run it. Most of the time I run straight up 100 octane. When I am out on a road trip I add Torco for the convience of it all. If you want to run pump gas, (rated at 91 here but more like 89) then detune your car so you can drive it without blowing it up after a few WOT runs.

Or... someone could step up to the plate and hire a chemist to blend all of these experimental additives to fuel and see just what we really get out of it all... in the meantime I will stick with the 100/torco... because I really dont want to buy another Blown LS6 engine for my car. On the chance that I am stupid enough to listen to people who say that something else is better and I try it and blow up my engine as a result. I will be responsible enough to not blame anyone else and fix it myself.

The owners of Torco are not going to reveal what is in the can... so stop asking.. and stop trying to bag on the distributor of the product because he isnt going to reveal the contents of the can even if he knew what was in there himself. If you dont like it... dont buy it... and dont shoot the distributor because I need him to keep selling me the stuff...

Ching... Ching....

VR


[Modified by vetterdstr, 3:46 PM 6/8/2004]

 

 

Absolutely the gospel....

 

jbsblownc5,

Is Torco safe for catalytic converters? If so I'll IM you about buying some.

 

Hey I have nothing against the stuff. Either it raises the octane from 91 to 98 with a bottle like is claimed (e.g. does something), or it raises the octane from 91 to 91.8 like all other octane boosters (e.g. waste of time). I just want to find out if it works or not. I'm no chemist but the claims seem impossible based on my (admittedly) limited understanding of how gasoline and octane ratings work.

 

jbsblownc5:

i got my pricing from this link:
http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/pro...co_racing.htm#

i did not realize you had such a good price on Torco... $72/6 quarts = $48/gallon. =;-^]

what i find really interesting is the resultant final octane from various ratios that i have seen advertised is as much as 93 octane > 106 octane from 1 quart of Torco to 10-19 gallons of 93 octane pump gas.

you are more conservative than most in selling this stuff, but hard questions remain:

19 gallons * 4 quarts = 76 quarts

adding 1 quart of Torco *unknown* octane to 76 quarts of 93 octane is a 1:76 dilution. if that adds 4 to 5 octane numbers [ie, 97-98 octane] do you have any idea what the impossible octane number of the Torco additive must be? let alone 93 > 104 octane?

Torco's site:

"The Unleaded concentrate when blended with a 93-octane super unleaded makes up to a 104-octane race fuel for many of today's streetcars, motorcycles, watercraft, ATV's, and many other motor sport applications!"
http://www.torcoracefuels.com/torcoenter.htm

[b]the key words here are 'makes up to a 104-octane race fuel'.

 

[b]it may contain MMT which will hurt your cats and o2 sensors, but there is no way to find out short of testing the stuff in a chem lab...

 

Give this man a gold star and a case of Torco for $72, I'll cover the shipping due to his ability to see what at least one can't understand.

Paypal me the $ at kerijoel1@comcast.net and I'll ship ASAP


Torco has NO MMT!

 

[b]ok, i buy a 1-quart can, have it tested for content and octane at my expense, if the numbers are not even close to the claims, you refund my 1 can price, i post the results on the web and on all sports car and truck forums, and Torco resellers are banned from Corvette Forums for fraud and misrepresentation.

can you say '533 octane is physically and thermodynamically impossible'...?

maybe a class-action suit for damaging cats and 02 sensors as well...?

please post your chain-of-custody methodology, i do not want to be accused of rigging the tests...

 

This is The unleaded version and Says right on it safe for cats and O2..

 

Why are you guys ignoring my question?

 

[b]we're not ignoring your question, just hoping the laws of physics will change and allow 1:76 dilutions to increase octane by 11 numbers, not points...