Octane Booster....
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
Sandra, why not buy a case and analyze the ingredients for us? I'd be interested in knowing.
One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21
[b]ok, i buy a 1-quart can, have it tested for content and octane at my expense, if the numbers are not even close to the claims, you refund my 1 can price, i post the results on the web and on all sports car and truck forums, and Torco resellers are banned from Corvette Forums for fraud and misrepresentation.
can you say '533 octane is physically and thermodynamically impossible'...?
maybe a class-action suit for damaging cats and 02 sensors as well...?
please post your chain-of-custody methodology, i do not want to be accused of rigging the tests...
One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21
[b]ok, i buy a 1-quart can, have it tested for content and octane at my expense, if the numbers are not even close to the claims, you refund my 1 can price, i post the results on the web and on all sports car and truck forums, and Torco resellers are banned from Corvette Forums for fraud and misrepresentation.
can you say '533 octane is physically and thermodynamically impossible'...?
maybe a class-action suit for damaging cats and 02 sensors as well...?
please post your chain-of-custody methodology, i do not want to be accused of rigging the tests...
2) No idea on how to ban resellers
3) I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP
4) Ok by me if you want to start a lawsuit - it’s your time and money.
5) I have no clue on how to proceed with a chain-of-custody methodology - you will have to get somebody else involved.
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Re: Octane Booster.... (jbsblownc5)
Just a thought here... maybe Torco's chemical makeup is based on the approach of a chemical reaction that takes place between the product and gasoline. Not blending a 500+ octane concoction in a little can.
Much like the nuclear bomb theory... splitting of the atom and its reaction... not trying to stuff 5,000,000 sticks of dynomite in a shell casing to make a devastating bomb!
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
VR
Much like the nuclear bomb theory... splitting of the atom and its reaction... not trying to stuff 5,000,000 sticks of dynomite in a shell casing to make a devastating bomb!
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
VR
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Re: Octane Booster.... ('97 C5)
Sandra, why not buy a case and analyze the ingredients for us? I'd be interested in knowing.
One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21
One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21
can you say '533 octane is physically and thermodynamically impossible'...?
maybe a class-action suit for damaging cats and 02 sensors as well...?
please post your chain-of-custody methodology, i do not want to be accused of rigging the tests...
1) Feel free to post the results wherever you please
2) No idea on how to ban resellers
3) I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP
4) Ok by me if you want to start a lawsuit - itÂ’s your time and money.
5) I have no clue on how to proceed with a chain-of-custody methodology - you will have to get somebody else involved.
2) No idea on how to ban resellers
3) I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP
4) Ok by me if you want to start a lawsuit - itÂ’s your time and money.
5) I have no clue on how to proceed with a chain-of-custody methodology - you will have to get somebody else involved.
you challenge me to buy a case of Torco and analyze the ingredients for *us* and you would be interested in knowing. what, exactly?
i made the offer and all you respond with is:
" I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP"
can you post the hours of data for Torco in an Excel spreadsheet?
and you have no clue about the chain of custody?
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Re: Octane Booster.... (vetterdstr)
Just a thought here... maybe Torco's chemical makeup is based on the approach of a chemical reaction that takes place between the product and gasoline. Not blending a 500+ octane concoction in a little can.
Much like the nuclear bomb theory... splitting of the atom and its reaction... not trying to stuff 5,000,000 sticks of dynomite in a shell casing to make a devastating bomb!
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
VR
Much like the nuclear bomb theory... splitting of the atom and its reaction... not trying to stuff 5,000,000 sticks of dynomite in a shell casing to make a devastating bomb!
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
VR
It has to do with what speed the gas will burn, and mixing Torco with fuel alters the burn rate.
JB
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From: COWFORD FL
Re: Octane Booster.... (vetterdstr)
Just a thought here... maybe Torco's chemical makeup is based on the approach of a chemical reaction that takes place between the product and gasoline. Not blending a 500+ octane concoction in a little can.
Much like the nuclear bomb theory... splitting of the atom and its reaction... not trying to stuff 5,000,000 sticks of dynomite in a shell casing to make a devastating bomb!
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
Much like the nuclear bomb theory... splitting of the atom and its reaction... not trying to stuff 5,000,000 sticks of dynomite in a shell casing to make a devastating bomb!
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
do you have any clue how fission reactions work in atomic bombs?
*maybe* is not a scientific term.
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
Sandra, why not buy a case and analyze the ingredients for us? I'd be interested in knowing.
One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21
[b]ok, i buy a 1-quart can, have it tested for content and octane at my expense, if the numbers are not even close to the claims, you refund my 1 can price, i post the results on the web and on all sports car and truck forums, and Torco resellers are banned from Corvette Forums for fraud and misrepresentation.
can you say '533 octane is physically and thermodynamically impossible'...?
maybe a class-action suit for damaging cats and 02 sensors as well...?
please post your chain-of-custody methodology, i do not want to be accused of rigging the tests...
1) Feel free to post the results wherever you please
2) No idea on how to ban resellers
3) I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP
4) Ok by me if you want to start a lawsuit - it’s your time and money.
5) I have no clue on how to proceed with a chain-of-custody methodology - you will have to get somebody else involved.
[b]let me get this straight:
you challenge me to buy a case of Torco and analyze the ingredients for *us* and you would be interested in knowing. what, exactly?
i made the offer and all you respond with is:
" I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP"
can you post the hours of data for Torco in an Excel spreadsheet?
and you have no clue about the chain of custody?
One quart @ $6 does what three gallons on xylene does @ $21
[b]ok, i buy a 1-quart can, have it tested for content and octane at my expense, if the numbers are not even close to the claims, you refund my 1 can price, i post the results on the web and on all sports car and truck forums, and Torco resellers are banned from Corvette Forums for fraud and misrepresentation.
can you say '533 octane is physically and thermodynamically impossible'...?
maybe a class-action suit for damaging cats and 02 sensors as well...?
please post your chain-of-custody methodology, i do not want to be accused of rigging the tests...
1) Feel free to post the results wherever you please
2) No idea on how to ban resellers
3) I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP
4) Ok by me if you want to start a lawsuit - it’s your time and money.
5) I have no clue on how to proceed with a chain-of-custody methodology - you will have to get somebody else involved.
[b]let me get this straight:
you challenge me to buy a case of Torco and analyze the ingredients for *us* and you would be interested in knowing. what, exactly?
i made the offer and all you respond with is:
" I can say '533 octane and I loosely understand thermodynamics but I've also logged hours of data that clearly shows one quart of Torco, per tank, significantly reduces or eliminates know retard and as a consequence raise RWHP"
can you post the hours of data for Torco in an Excel spreadsheet?
and you have no clue about the chain of custody?
2) I only reference the hours of data logging to punctuate the documented success of the product, not to offer chemical proof of the ingredients. What do you want me to do?
3)I have the data and will turn you loose on it any time you want to peruse it. I am not going to upload it though; you'll have to sift through it in my office and on my computer.
4)I have an idea on what a “chain of custody” is - but not a clue how to apply it in your testing.
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
After you spend all that money on chemical analysis and its interaction with gasoline, feel free to post the results.
[b]would you care to reference a documented chemical reaction between Torco and gasoline?
do you have any clue how fission reactions work in atomic bombs?
*maybe* is not a scientific term.
[b]would you care to reference a documented chemical reaction between Torco and gasoline?
do you have any clue how fission reactions work in atomic bombs?
*maybe* is not a scientific term.
I have two quarts left over from my experiment, the cans are obviously unopened. You can have them to do your experiment.
Please let me know how to get them to you.
Thanks,
Burning Brakes
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Busa196)
Hey Jason,
I'll split a case with you if you want. I want to try it, too.
I have some Sunoco 104 Unleaded at the house. I also have EFI Live. I will log the relevant parameters (KR, timing advance, RPM, etc.) using straight 104, and then again later with 10 gal of 93 and 1 can of Torco and see if there is any difference.
[Modified by R6_C5_ML430, 11:02 AM 6/9/2004]
I'll split a case with you if you want. I want to try it, too.
I have some Sunoco 104 Unleaded at the house. I also have EFI Live. I will log the relevant parameters (KR, timing advance, RPM, etc.) using straight 104, and then again later with 10 gal of 93 and 1 can of Torco and see if there is any difference.
[Modified by R6_C5_ML430, 11:02 AM 6/9/2004]
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Re: Octane Booster.... (R6_C5_ML430)
Hey Jason,
I'll split a case with you if you want. I want to try it, too.
I have some Sunoco 104 Unleaded at the house. I also have EFI Live. I will log the relevant parameters (KR, timing advance, RPM, etc.) using straight 104, and then again later with 10 gal of 93 and 1 can of Torco and see if there is any difference.
[Modified by R6_C5_ML430, 11:02 AM 6/9/2004]
I'll split a case with you if you want. I want to try it, too.
I have some Sunoco 104 Unleaded at the house. I also have EFI Live. I will log the relevant parameters (KR, timing advance, RPM, etc.) using straight 104, and then again later with 10 gal of 93 and 1 can of Torco and see if there is any difference.
[Modified by R6_C5_ML430, 11:02 AM 6/9/2004]
Burning Brakes
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Busa196)
It has to do with what speed the gas will burn, and mixing Torco with fuel alters the burn rate.
If what you say is true, we should be able to test gas Torco treated 91 octane with the (RON+MON)/2 method, and observe 98 octane. That is what needs to be tested.
Like I said if it works I'll be the first to buy a few cases. I hate lugging around 5 gallon jugs of 104 octane.
Here is some good tech info for you guys...
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part3/
Burning Brakes
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Busa196)
EEEExcellent, Smithers!
I just downloaded the latest software update for EFI Live onto my laptop. It looks like it has a lot of new features and is set up a little differently. I'll relearn how to use it and be ready for next weekend.
I just downloaded the latest software update for EFI Live onto my laptop. It looks like it has a lot of new features and is set up a little differently. I'll relearn how to use it and be ready for next weekend.
Melting Slicks
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Re: Octane Booster.... (WisconsinVETTE)
Man, talk about a LIVELY discussion!!! 
I believe JB when he says he discerns benefits to the use of Torco (as do others), but I can certainly see Sandra's side of things as well concerning just "how" Torco makes the improvements it claims to.
Guess I'm just a bit
over the whole debate. I think Sean's (R6_C5_ML430) idea to try the two different blends of fuel and record their effects on the engine with EFI-Live should shed valuable light on this entire subject. Looking forward to your findings.
While I know Sean's test is hardly one to determine the chemical composition of the resultant 91 oct. to Torco blend, it will at least show hardfast proof of it's effects on critical engine operating parameters in real-world driving conditions.
Hey Sean, could you make adjustments to your car's tune to try and maximize it when using your two different fuel examples?
I'll just
for a while to see how this thread progresses along. 
PS. Sandra, where did you get all your knowledge about this stuff? Chemistry was never one of my strong suits nor does it make for very interesting reading for me personally, but you certainly appear to have a pretty good grasp of the subject.
I believe JB when he says he discerns benefits to the use of Torco (as do others), but I can certainly see Sandra's side of things as well concerning just "how" Torco makes the improvements it claims to.Guess I'm just a bit
over the whole debate. I think Sean's (R6_C5_ML430) idea to try the two different blends of fuel and record their effects on the engine with EFI-Live should shed valuable light on this entire subject. Looking forward to your findings.While I know Sean's test is hardly one to determine the chemical composition of the resultant 91 oct. to Torco blend, it will at least show hardfast proof of it's effects on critical engine operating parameters in real-world driving conditions.
Hey Sean, could you make adjustments to your car's tune to try and maximize it when using your two different fuel examples?I'll just
for a while to see how this thread progresses along. PS. Sandra, where did you get all your knowledge about this stuff? Chemistry was never one of my strong suits nor does it make for very interesting reading for me personally, but you certainly appear to have a pretty good grasp of the subject.
Burning Brakes
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Re: Octane Booster.... (dads01dream)
I have the EFI Live with the bi-directional controls, so yes, I can alter spark advance and fuel on the fly. I cannot write permanently (flash) the PCM (like with LS-1 Edit or the HP tuner), so the changes are only temporary (while you are using the software). If there is no KR with 1 can of Torco + 10 gallons of 93, I will increase the timing in 0.5 degree increments until I start to see KR. I will increase timing the same way with the Sunoco 104 and compare the max advance allowable in each case. Octane dilution from oil entering through the PCV system will not be a variable. I modified the system to prevent that. Jason (Busa196) said that the Torco is on its way and will be here maybe early next week. I am supposed to be leaving for Milan, Italy on Tuesday, but if that gets pushed back a week, I can get to the testing the 19th or 20th. If not, unfortunately, I won't get to the testing until almost the end of July...sorry. I am willing to let Jason and Big Bollas (Daniel) borrow my EFI Live cables and they can download the software from www.efilive.com if they want to do the testing sooner than when I will be able to get to it.
--Sean
--Sean