Octane Booster....
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
I have done Dyno and real world road testing with ease software to check for knock. I not only sell Torco, but use it in every tank full.
I was on the roadcourse last week and ran it the hole day without a hitch in 90 plus degrees. I've mixed in 6 gallons of 100 at the track and have had the same results, for $30 extra buck verses $12.
If you've never tried Torco Sandra, you really can't make an informed comment about it.
JB
I was on the roadcourse last week and ran it the hole day without a hitch in 90 plus degrees. I've mixed in 6 gallons of 100 at the track and have had the same results, for $30 extra buck verses $12.
If you've never tried Torco Sandra, you really can't make an informed comment about it.
JB
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From: Yardley, Philadelphia PA
Re: Octane Booster.... (jbsblownc5)
I have a 55 gal drum of tolulene with about 5 gal out that I used in my Syclone. Enyone can have it for free if you pick it up. I live 20 miles north of Philadelphia PA. Email me at martinpasqualone@comcast.net.
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From: Friendswood, Tx
Re: CHEAP DIY RACE GAS! (Sandra Bigwoode)
get xylene instead, no one cares how much you buy, it is 117 octane, contains only carbon and hydogen atoms, blends well with gasoline, and is mostly what is in auto part store octane boosters, plus some atf for lubrication and lurid dyes to make it look cool. since it is only C8H10, it won't hurt your cats or o2 sensors.
my local paint store sells it for $7/gallon in 5 gallon pails, and $3.87/gallon in 55 gallon drums with free delivery in the city limits.
55 gallons is doable if you get some like-minded souls together for a dyno day or at the drags and spilt it among yourselves. [$213/55 gallon drum]
at 70% 93 octane pumpgas and 30% xylene, you get 100 octane race fuel at a cost of $2.56/gallon assuming you pay $2/gallon for the pumpgas and $3.87/gallon for the xylene.
if you mix it 50-50, you get 103.5 octane at a cost of $2.94, using the costs as shown above. above this ratio you may want to add 4 or 8 ounces of atf for additional lubrication. running straight xylene is not recommended even if it is 117 octane for $3.87/gallon.
DISCLAIMER: i am not your mother, download and read the MDS, keep a water hose running within easy reach, and do your blending out in your yard or driveway away from your corvette and don't smoke or set off fireworks while you blend... =;-] if you blow up your engine on the dyno or at the drags, i don't want to hear about it.[/b]
my local paint store sells it for $7/gallon in 5 gallon pails, and $3.87/gallon in 55 gallon drums with free delivery in the city limits.
55 gallons is doable if you get some like-minded souls together for a dyno day or at the drags and spilt it among yourselves. [$213/55 gallon drum]
at 70% 93 octane pumpgas and 30% xylene, you get 100 octane race fuel at a cost of $2.56/gallon assuming you pay $2/gallon for the pumpgas and $3.87/gallon for the xylene.
if you mix it 50-50, you get 103.5 octane at a cost of $2.94, using the costs as shown above. above this ratio you may want to add 4 or 8 ounces of atf for additional lubrication. running straight xylene is not recommended even if it is 117 octane for $3.87/gallon.
DISCLAIMER: i am not your mother, download and read the MDS, keep a water hose running within easy reach, and do your blending out in your yard or driveway away from your corvette and don't smoke or set off fireworks while you blend... =;-] if you blow up your engine on the dyno or at the drags, i don't want to hear about it.[/b]
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From: COWFORD FL
Re: Octane Booster.... (boblackhardtop)
I used to do Toluene but the bottle booster are much more convenient. Check out the test, Torco is not in there (although I read lots of positive comment on it), a lot of others are included.
http://www.fbody.com/members/stevenm...ne_booster.htm
thanks for the links, i saw that the aussies used RON not R+M/2 which means the gains would be reduced by half, they apparently did not understand toluene is 114 octane and used only 20% rather than 30% which would have beaten all other additives they tested.
of course that means they could not crow about the aussie additive NULON, i suspect they were paid to rig the test.
i still don't understand how a pint or a quart of octane booster added to 15-20 gallons of regular unleaded can increase octane any signifcant amount, especially when the octane booster is just toluene or xylene in a small bottle at a much higher price. are there aromatic benzenes out there with many hundreds of octane numbers that no one has ever heard of?
and what compound is in the better octane boosters that is not TOLUENE?
http://www.fbody.com/members/stevenm...ne_booster.htm
thanks for the links, i saw that the aussies used RON not R+M/2 which means the gains would be reduced by half, they apparently did not understand toluene is 114 octane and used only 20% rather than 30% which would have beaten all other additives they tested.
of course that means they could not crow about the aussie additive NULON, i suspect they were paid to rig the test.
i still don't understand how a pint or a quart of octane booster added to 15-20 gallons of regular unleaded can increase octane any signifcant amount, especially when the octane booster is just toluene or xylene in a small bottle at a much higher price. are there aromatic benzenes out there with many hundreds of octane numbers that no one has ever heard of?
The octane booster in pump gas has Toluene, the one in the bottle (the better one anyway) has different compound NOT Toluene.
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Re: Octane Booster.... (jbsblownc5)
If you've never tried Torco Sandra, you really can't make an informed comment about it.
JB
JB
i believe toluene and xylene to be the best value for the money in terms of bang for the buck, and i lean towards xylene due to it's higher octane and the fact the DEA is not concerned with it as a drug manufacturing pre-cursor.
i did not specifically mention Torco by name, but do tell us what the primary ingredients are and how 1 qt mixed in 10 gallons can increase octane from 93 to 106? that is a 1:40 dilution, Torco would have literally have many hundreds of octane numbers to perform this feat.
here is a link: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show.../t-420798.html
notice that a lot of people posting there have real questions on the ingredients of Torco and its potential octane, as much as 533 which AFAIK is impossible...
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Re: Octane Booster.... ('97 C5)
HEy Woody,
I know what's in there....KRYPTONITE....
I know what's in there....KRYPTONITE....
besides it will make me lose all my powers to make people understand that the fuel additive crap they buy in autopart stores is useless...
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From: COWFORD FL
Re: Octane Booster.... (COBRA MARTY)
I have a 55 gal drum of tolulene with about 5 gal out that I used in my Syclone. Enyone can have it for free if you pick it up. I live 20 miles north of Philadelphia PA. Email me at martinpasqualone@comcast.net.
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
I gave up many many years ago trying to argue with BIGHEADED KNOW IT ALLS .
Torco is not a auto part store octane booster and I don't know the exact ingredients since they are proprietary. All I know is that I and many others have been using it with great success.
Have a nice day WOODY
I'm out!!
Torco is not a auto part store octane booster and I don't know the exact ingredients since they are proprietary. All I know is that I and many others have been using it with great success.
Have a nice day WOODY
I'm out!!
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Re: Octane Booster.... (jbsblownc5)
I gave up many many years ago trying to argue with BIGHEADED KNOW IT ALLS .
Torco is not a auto part store octane booster and I don't know the exact ingredients since they are proprietary. All I know is that I and many others have been using it with great success.
Have a nice day WOODY
I'm out!!
Torco is not a auto part store octane booster and I don't know the exact ingredients since they are proprietary. All I know is that I and many others have been using it with great success.
Have a nice day WOODY
I'm out!!
Keep it simple . 
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Re: Octane Booster.... (jbsblownc5)
I gave up many many years ago trying to argue with BIGHEADED KNOW IT ALLS .
Torco is not a auto part store octane booster and I don't know the exact ingredients since they are proprietary. All I know is that I and many others have been using it with great success.
Have a nice day WOODY
Torco is not a auto part store octane booster and I don't know the exact ingredients since they are proprietary. All I know is that I and many others have been using it with great success.
Have a nice day WOODY
the link i provided makes some good points and asks some pointed questions, i notice you did not address any of those, if you don't care to address my points, perhaps you can explain how Torco manages to have apparently hundreds of octane numbers?
but you resort to name calling instead...
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From: kansas city MO
Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
For those contemplating the use of Zylene consider these facts.
1) Both are solvents, one of the reasons Toluene is preferred in crystal meth. production is its low cost for a relatively pure product thus leaving little unwanted residue in the final product. Zylene on the other hand is very expensive if you want a higher purity. When you go to a chemical store/warehouse ask for the purity of each product they'll tell you exactly what it is. So the octane #s for Zylene will vary depending on the mixture of Zylene+impurity whereas that of Toluene is pretty much the same from batch to batch.
2) For either Toluene or Zylene there's as always w/ most things a point of deminishing return.
10% ratio w pump gas is the recommended usage w/ 20% the max. Just remember though your gain in octane #s will not be linear as you add more and more Toluene.
3) Lastly I've bought and used many 35gal drums of Toluene and I live right here in Kansas City capital city of crystal meth. ... There's a form to fill out w/ all the requisite info. address, drivers license #, etc... and the intended use of the product that's it and NO I have not had to answer to any law enforcement agency local or otherwise.
1) Both are solvents, one of the reasons Toluene is preferred in crystal meth. production is its low cost for a relatively pure product thus leaving little unwanted residue in the final product. Zylene on the other hand is very expensive if you want a higher purity. When you go to a chemical store/warehouse ask for the purity of each product they'll tell you exactly what it is. So the octane #s for Zylene will vary depending on the mixture of Zylene+impurity whereas that of Toluene is pretty much the same from batch to batch.
2) For either Toluene or Zylene there's as always w/ most things a point of deminishing return.
10% ratio w pump gas is the recommended usage w/ 20% the max. Just remember though your gain in octane #s will not be linear as you add more and more Toluene.
3) Lastly I've bought and used many 35gal drums of Toluene and I live right here in Kansas City capital city of crystal meth. ... There's a form to fill out w/ all the requisite info. address, drivers license #, etc... and the intended use of the product that's it and NO I have not had to answer to any law enforcement agency local or otherwise.
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Re: Octane Booster.... (boblackhardtop)
Sandra,
I don't mean to lose my patience with you, but from what I've observed, you are the type of person who enjoys a good argument/heated discussion. I do not. If YOU go back and not only read what I've already posted in this thread, but read everything in the thread you posted about the discusion on Torco, you will see that most if not all your questions will be answered.
I hate to repeat myself, but Torco is one very effective way to raise your octane. I say this after over a year and a half of using it in every tankful. I used to add 5 or 6 gallons of 100 to every tankful at a cost of over $30. I now use one can of Torco at 12 bucks and get the same results.
Use what works for you, but you are guilty of contempt prior to investigation.
Goodnight Sandra!!
[Modified by jbsblownc5, 5:41 PM 5/14/2004]
I don't mean to lose my patience with you, but from what I've observed, you are the type of person who enjoys a good argument/heated discussion. I do not. If YOU go back and not only read what I've already posted in this thread, but read everything in the thread you posted about the discusion on Torco, you will see that most if not all your questions will be answered.
I hate to repeat myself, but Torco is one very effective way to raise your octane. I say this after over a year and a half of using it in every tankful. I used to add 5 or 6 gallons of 100 to every tankful at a cost of over $30. I now use one can of Torco at 12 bucks and get the same results.
Use what works for you, but you are guilty of contempt prior to investigation.
Goodnight Sandra!!
[Modified by jbsblownc5, 5:41 PM 5/14/2004]
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From: COWFORD FL
Re: Octane Booster.... (boblackhardtop)
1) Both are solvents, one of the reasons Toluene is preferred in crystal meth. production is its low cost for a relatively pure product thus leaving little unwanted residue in the final product. Zylene on the other hand is very expensive if you want a higher purity. When you go to a chemical store/warehouse ask for the purity of each product they'll tell you exactly what it is. So the octane #s for Zylene will vary depending on the mixture of Zylene+impurity whereas that of Toluene is pretty much the same from batch to batch.
we are using this stuff to mix with gasoline or paint, the paint store does not sell pharm or medical grade solvents in any case.
2) For either Toluene or Zylene there's as always w/ most things a point of deminishing return.
10% ratio w pump gas is the recommended usage w/ 20% the max. Just remember though your gain in octane #s will not be linear as you add more and more Toluene.
10% ratio w pump gas is the recommended usage w/ 20% the max. Just remember though your gain in octane #s will not be linear as you add more and more Toluene.
3) Lastly I've bought and used many 35gal drums of Toluene and I live right here in Kansas City capital city of crystal meth. ... There's a form to fill out w/ all the requisite info. address, drivers license #, etc... and the intended use of the product that's it and NO I have not had to answer to any law enforcement agency local or otherwise.
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From: COWFORD FL
Re: Octane Booster.... (jbsblownc5)
Sandra,
I don't mean to lose my patience with you, but from what I've observed, you are the type of person who enjoys a good argument/heated discussion. I do not. If YOU go back and not only read what I've already posted in this thread, but read everything in the thread you posted about the discusion on Torco, you will see that most if not all your questions will be answered.
I don't mean to lose my patience with you, but from what I've observed, you are the type of person who enjoys a good argument/heated discussion. I do not. If YOU go back and not only read what I've already posted in this thread, but read everything in the thread you posted about the discusion on Torco, you will see that most if not all your questions will be answered.
your previous posts have said:
1. i sell Torco on the side.
2. it works great.
3. i, and everbody i sell it to, loves it.
4. i don't know what the ingredients are or how it works, that's proprietary infromation.
5. but i have used it for years and it's great, trust me, i sell it.
I hate to repeat myself, but Torco is one very effective way to raise your octane. I say this after over a year and a half of using it in every tankful. I used to add 5 or 6 gallons of 100 to every tankful at a cost of over $30. I now use one can of Torco at 12 bucks and get the same results.
1. what is the *miracle ingredient* in Torco? you know, the 533 octane component...
2. how can it beat an aromatic benzene at 117 octane mixed 40/60 with 93 pumpgas? for $3.87/gallon?
3. how can a 1 quart in 10 gallons of Torco [a 1:40 dilution] come close to boosting 93 octane to 104?
...you are guilty of contempt prior to investigation.
but i do know what article 125 is; abuse of a public animal... =;-]
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Re: Octane Booster.... (Sandra Bigwoode)
What did this thread end up deciding? I know it is a lame excuse but I really don't have a ton of time to devote to it. Please.. just give me the numbers???
Thanks,
Scott
Thanks,
Scott
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Re: Octane Booster.... (SideStep)
I'll tell Ya what. Try a case of Torco and If you don't like the way it works return the unused cans to me.
JB
Let me know, I've got cases!
JB
Let me know, I've got cases!
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Re: Octane Booster.... (SideStep)
What did this thread end up deciding? I know it is a lame excuse but I really don't have a ton of time to devote to it. Please.. just give me the numbers? Thanks,
Scott
Scott
http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/pro...co_racing.htm#