The idler problem you experienced is much different than the one I described (although others had siezing problems too). The problem that caused belt shredding on the Fbodies and Ybodies was not related to a siezing idler. As far as polls are concerned, the information has been well documented over the last 3 years and if the archiving worked or was not lost in the transition you could do a search (not that the old forum search worked worth a damn) and you would see the multidude of people who had problems..you were even a part of some of those threads and you were usually a single voice. Nothing against you personally but that is why you were the single voice. The fact of the matter is very few people probably even by the kit from ATI anymore because they sucked. Other forum tuners have made it what it should have been and that is why they have booked scheduled work. There was never a problem with the head unit...and if siezed idler pullies were the only problem this discussion would have never taken place the 100s of times it has on the forum.

 

Just got my car back from having the P1SC install. Love the power but hate the noise, not the whine, the noise, sounds like an alternator bearing but I know its not. It goes away off idle. Any thoughts of how to quite this thing down would be appreciated.

 

I dont understand you like the whine but not the noise?? If it is not the whine making the noise then what is?

VR

 

I think he is referring to the can of rocks sound coming from the head unit via the air cleaner. Basically it is the gears in the blower you hear. The only way to quiet it is to make the air cleaner further away so the noise is baffled more. But this defeats the benefits of a cool air intake. I've had people ask what was wrong with my car? as it can sound that bad.

 

Tattooed,

Hijack every thread? The original question was

"I was told it was very nice, something about "two tensioners"? I really have no idea what the mechanic was talking about, but I wanted to see what you thought?"

The question was left open to opinions regarding the setup. There has been excellent commentary here.

But did'nt you say you could post some pics in the second post. What are you waiting for? You could put this thread to bed.

By the way, you're the one who is selling his car or worse yet, parting out the latest and greatest from ATI. So why are you cheering on the ATI factory kit when it obviously was not all you thought it would be?

850hp???

 

yeah, i did say that, but, after seeing some of the posts in this thread, i'm not going to. its not worth opening myself up to personal attacks and insults again. the last time i posted in an ATI thread, and kept my own posts on topic, i couple of people just had to go and launch personal attacks and post a bunch of really childish insults. too many people here refuse to keep conversations civil and rational. i'll go post the pics on a different corvette related forum.

this is exactly the kind of b.s. that i'm talking about. you immediately make a completely false and ludicrous suggestion that i am selling my car because the "latest and greatest from ATI" is not good. I HAVE VERY CLEARLY STATED IN ALL OF C5 FOR SALE POSTS WHY I AM SELLING THE CAR. CAN YOU NOT F'IN READ???? YOU'RE A JERK!

 

I think Tatood is right. And I did not see him cheering about his kit. He just said it worked for him. People pop off with opinions and never give anything a chance. They are so concerned with defending their own ego that they miss the point of the original discussion. There is a pretty narrow minded group think going on here if you ask me.

The basic message I saw in this thread was.

"hey anybody seen or heard about..."

"yes, I have it and it is supporting 850+ RWHP on my car... I'll post some pics when I get a chance if anyone is interested"

" yawn, f... ATI they suck, who cares, A&A and ECS are the only way to go, yada yada yada"

Check your egos at the door fellas and you might learn something. Not always, but sometimes. I learned this a long time ago.

 

and one more thing - i've made it damn clear in every single one of my "c5 for sale" posts that i am selling my car for financial reasons. my sale has _nothing_ at all to do with the ATI kit. i have been VERY happy and impressed with my ATI kit. i challenge you to find a single post or email _anywhere_ from me where i show even the slightest bit of displeasure with my ATI kit.

if you post any more malicious and false crap to try to undermine my car sale, or if you try to do anything else to prevent me from selling my car, then we can take it up with the moderators here.

 

I am interested in looking at the new ATI setup... if anyone has pics of it, please let me know where to go to look at them.

Thanks, VR

 

I never inferred your car was crap, nor am I attempting to prevent your sale. I could care less.

Your ad does say though, You want to buy the old lady a Benz and I'll quote "reasons for selling: a) wife wants new house and Benz, and b) too many damn speeding tickets since the SC install. Last I checked, they are not cheap.

But getting back to my original comment, Post some objective photos or this will contiune to be based on opinions. Some qualified and some not. Personally, I'd like to know more, but so far, nothing and that includes your contribution.

Finally, your BMOC attitude may work at home but not here.

and "Jerk" fits when it's warranted, thanks.

 

Quick-
Well said, both times.

 

well then, why did YOU bring my car sale up in the first place????

ok, so i listed three financially related reasons for selling. so what is your point exactly??? a new C class Mercedes can be had for under $30k. a slightly used one can be had for high teens to low 20s. either way, about half the price of a c5 (or less). and houses in Kansas are a fraction of what they are in many urban areas. not that any of this is any of your damn business. but you do seem intent on trying to blame ATI, and attack me and discredit me. your first post to me is clearly a personal attack intended to call into question my motives for selling my c5.

no. at this point, i'm not going to post anything here, and especially not for somebody who has already hijacked the thread to personally attack me.

no BMOC attitude here. i was simply trying to defend myself against your personal attacks. you started it - looks like youre trying to be the BMOC.

 

I thought I kept things pretty civil on my end until I read Quick and Tattooe's posts. It seems you guys are throwing personal attacks at people as well. Thankfully I never preach that so I don't have to worry about it when I do it, and most people pass on the chance with me when they have the opportunity to do it in person. But now you guys are behaving just the way you don't like. It is always the two of you stating how much you liked the ATI system and how great it is. But yet I think at least one of you doesn't even use the ATI kit as it comes from the factory. Guess what I bought one from ATI way before the two of you..and it sucked. So I sold it. No ego defending here..it is just a fact. It seems like you guys are the ones with the hurt egos..you are really acting like a pair of bitches.

 

Hogurt, when you get pictures please post them on this thread.

now for my 2 cents.. (and I will kick anyones booty that disagrees with me)

The ATI kit is a POS and no matter who I purchased new parts from to fix it (GWP/A&A) it only got better.

I only have one thing on my car that came from the ATI kit.. and that is the S/C housing... EVERYTHING else has been changed out.

That was not an inexpensive thing to do considering I was buying what was supposed to be a well thought out kit from a reputable business. Guess I learned my lesson huh!! Where in the hell is the "I told you so guy" when I need him most?? (OOPS!!) That guy is me...

Here is to all of us living a little smarter from others (and our own) mistakes.

VR

 

Yea! That is me, a bitch. That pretty much describes exactly what I am. I’ll avoid a big confrontation and just say that your perception is very far from the truth.

I don't remember stating how much I like the ATI kit or how great it is. I only stated that the engineers at ATI are most likely not complete idiots and it is worth looking at what they came up with. I also stated that it can’t be all that bad if there is a car making over 800RWHP with it.

I did make some pretty smart a*s comments about the group think narrow minded attitude that is sometimes prominent here, but I only did that after people started hijacking the thread with their own agenda. Just read this thread from beginning to end (relaxed with a beer in hand) and I think you will see what I see.

I also stated that I thought that the A&A and ECS were great vendors with great kits. I just don’t like people constantly brining up their own agenda in unrelated threads. It makes the form misleading and full of .

And just to be clear, so nobody misunderstands my point. I would never suggest that anyone buy the ATI stock kit (in its old form) over the A&A/ECS kit. I just think that it would be nice to see what improvements they have made. We all benefit from innovation and holding a grudge torch in hand never gets you anywhere.


Oh well, this thread has went in the toilet, time to move on.

 

that seems to be your clear agenda is every thread. as long as you get to slam ATI, you are happy. why don't you just get rid of your ATI head unit and get another brand? your constant slamming of ATI is only going to hurt their business and their ability to make anything for you in the future. are you really surprised that they have not devoted $10 million more in C5 kit research when they have to deal with attitudes like yours and people like you?

you are too funny. many dynos put a bigger load on the car than street driving does. i see belt slippage and wheel spin on dynos ALL THE TIME.

and besides, do you think the 800 rwhp owner just dynoed the car and never drove it??? his car has spent lots of time on the street AND the strip too.

i have the old twin IC and the y-pipes and bends on my kit. i make 495 rwhp on an ls1. single fan? my temps never go above 200 - even in the summer.

so what? you are trying to say that GM stands behind their products while ATI does not??? well, besides the fact that GM has about 1000 times as many employees and 1000 times the finances to do r&d, recalls, support, etc, i still think this is a bad comparison. and i bet all of the c5 owners with tons of recurring issues would agree. GM's response to the following has been less than stellar: column lock issues, oil consumption, piston slap, broken headlamp covers, headlamp motors, AC drain plug leaking into the pcm, leaking diffs, leaking trannys, etc.

my kit came from the same batch as yours, and i had no problems.

 

well, again, with the old stuff, i had no problems with my kit.

too funny - i think thats the whole point. you really have no idea how many kits ATI has sold and what percentage had major issues. yet, you are trying to speak authoritatively and suggest that 99% of the kits sold did not work. how many different people have complained in this forum about their ATI kits? a dozen? 20? 30? only a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the number of kits sold and installed.

 

no, he is not a single voice. my kit has been fine too. and i bought a used kit that came from the first batch sold.

funny thing is that there are probably more local c5s running around KC with the stock ATI kit than there are total ATI head units on forum member c5 cars here. and i bet less than 5% of the local c5s here have had problems.

i bet 90% of the california cars with ATI problems were due to the kit being installed by places like MMS back in the day. and using the crappy supertune that came with the early kits. i think we can all at least agree that the supertune crap in the P1 kits sucked.

 

I leave you guys alone for a couple days and look what you have done to my thread. . .

Shinobi'sZ,

In your previous post you wrote, "As far as polls are concerned, the information has been well documented over the last 3 years. . .you would see the multidude of people who had problems..you were even a part of some of those threads and you were usually a single voice. Nothing against you personally but that is why you were the single voice. The fact of the matter is very few people probably even by the kit from ATI anymore because they sucked. Other forum tuners have made it what it should have been and that is why they have booked scheduled work. There was never a problem with the head unit...and if siezed idler pullies were the only problem this discussion would have never taken place the 100s of times it has on the forum".

I am not sure about the validity of your study? I suspect there may be some problems with your methodology; thus the findings, hereto stated, may be less than totally reliable.

I reject your primary argument, "The fact of the matter is very few people probably even by the kit from ATI anymore because they sucked". I suspect you do not have access to legitimate data to make such a claim? If your only source for data, regarding all ATI customers, is posted on this forum, then I think your research method is probably not so reliable? Before you come back with an insignificant argument, such as, "I was one of the first. . .", or "I read all Corvette, F-body. . .car forums", or "I am God, here me speak. . .", please save it for another thread.

If you have pics of the new ATI setup, please post them; otherwise, start another thread because I would like to see the new ATI setup. Why? I am interested in seeing it. That's it! To make sure we are clear, in case it was not clear in my original post, I now have A&A's setup and I could not be happier. It's the setup I will recommend to everyone. . .I am still interested in seeing the new setup from ATI.

 

Your leaving out the 38lb injectors too and the bracket issues as well. I