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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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love the people on this forum.....feeling a disturbing trend here though,and i could be wrong. i see that on the daily,someones vette is being messed with either by design or mistake..real easy to digest,until its your vette involved, i understand but, are we really considering "kicking someone ***" or worse because of a material item ? people......its a machine,an extraordinary one,but nonetheless,a machine!! many a life have been lost in the heat of the moment over something that can be replaced. im no pacisfist, i will defend myself when i feel threatened,and will defend anyone in my family the same,but i wouldnt spend 1 minute in custody over something i pay insurance to cover!!! there are many many people in jails all over the country who have plenty of time to sit and contemplate why they would have given up their freedom to hurt or kill someone over a
such minor trivial incidents! it amazes me when i read things like i would have killed the guy for paintballing my car or spilling soda on it or some other jazz. rational thinking has got to come into play,are the majority of us really that hot tempered ? or are there just a lot of psuedo tough guys on the forum who would never attempt any of it ?
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:31 PM
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Very thoughtful, but most people are kicking internet azz on a forum.
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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Newyiddy, incase you were thinking of my thread I wouldn't have gotten angry if the guy necessarily hit my car, but it was the reply he gave me with his middle finger in response to HIS wrongdoing. If you read some of my other replies you'll see I am pretty mellow.

I think some people either tend to exagerate to be funny or sarcastic in the name of comedy. Everyone here I have met have been really nice people.

Which is why I made it a point to apologize to you the minute you thought I was berading you. Life is too short to be angry.
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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Very thoughtful, but most people are kicking internet azz on a forum.
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:44 PM
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I've been here over 5 years and I don't see it as a trend. People have always used this forum, and boards in general, to vent and rant to a (usually) like-minded, sympathetic audience. Very therapeutic. Heck, I'd rant too if any of those things happened to me!

You want real anger and chest-thumping? Take a look at some of the import/ricer boards... now there's an excess of testosterone!

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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cjlaw73
Newyiddy, incase you were thinking of my thread I wouldn't have gotten angry if the guy necessarily hit my car, but it was the reply he gave me with his middle finger in response to HIS wrongdoing. If you read some of my other replies you'll see I am pretty mellow.

I think some people either tend to exagerate to be funny or sarcastic in the name of comedy. Everyone here I have met have been really nice people.

Which is why I made it a point to apologize to you the minute you thought I was berading you. Life is too short to be angry.
nah.......we're only human, no harm no foul is about right. some people are just clueless, you probably could have sat down with the guy and spoke at length about his poor driving habits,and he still wouldnt have understood common courtesies! Karma........
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 1hotZ06
I've been here over 5 years and I don't see it as a trend. People have always used this forum, and boards in general, to vent and rant to a (usually) like-minded, sympathetic audience. Very therapeutic. Heck, I'd rant too if any of those things happened to me!

You want real anger and chest-thumping? Take a look at some of the import/ricer boards... now there's an excess of testosterone!

Peace.

Rich
im new........loving this forum,lumping myself in!! Buffalo.......whats cooking up there ? and hows the weather ? im in nyc.....
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My rational thought is the shift key must be broke on your keyboard and it sometimes enters lots of periods.
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Originally Posted by newyiddy20
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...are the majority of us really that hot tempered ? or are there just a lot of psuedo tough guys on the forum who would never attempt any of it ?
Hi newyiddy20 -

It is likely a mix of both of these, and then the majority of folks are already rational thinkers.

Everyone on the internet is above average height, weight, strength...at least they can be if they want.

More and more I find the Corvette community to be a very friendly bunch, and we on the forums can become quite good friends with people we have only met or seen at Corvette Cruise Ins, or shows etc.

It's nice to have someone who understands, listens and cares.

Here we have hundreds of those folks - literally.

Like 1hotZ06 said - it theraputic to have these folks behind you - even if only in the form of an understanding post.

best regards -

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Originally Posted by newyiddy20
love the people on this forum.....feeling a disturbing trend here though,and i could be wrong. i see that on the daily,someones vette is being messed with either by design or mistake..real easy to digest,until its your vette involved, i understand but, are we really considering "kicking someone ***" or worse because of a material item ? people......its a machine,an extraordinary one,but nonetheless,a machine!! many a life have been lost in the heat of the moment over something that can be replaced. im no pacisfist, i will defend myself when i feel threatened,and will defend anyone in my family the same,but i wouldnt spend 1 minute in custody over something i pay insurance to cover!!! there are many many people in jails all over the country who have plenty of time to sit and contemplate why they would have given up their freedom to hurt or kill someone over a
such minor trivial incidents! it amazes me when i read things like i would have killed the guy for paintballing my car or spilling soda on it or some other jazz. rational thinking has got to come into play,are the majority of us really that hot tempered ? or are there just a lot of psuedo tough guys on the forum who would never attempt any of it ?


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Old Apr 6, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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To the original poster...never underestimate the satisfaction and comfort that comes from pure unmitigated retribution. Because of the type of work I have done in the past, I have a real hatred for those that go through life with little regard for the persons or property around them. They literally send me into a rage.

Maybe this is sad, but I believe that a significant number of people are just a waste of space...thieving, vandalizing, wife battering pieces of crap. These people are not making "mistakes"; rather, they are defective in some material respect. They are fundamentally bad people...not people that happen to do bad things. A mistake is when a person accidently picks up the wrong umbrella because it looks like theirs as you leave a restaurant...intentionally harming anothers person or property because they don't care or consider it wrong (especially when this is frequent behavior or the offender is an adult) is a sign of being a complete waste of space. These people need to be dealt with harshly. I believe they are fair game for whatever I feel like dealing out, and I consider it a public service.

In my professional life I had to deal with criminals within the confines of the law...in my personal life I am not nearly as forgiving. One of the most frustrating things about being the victim of crime is a feeling of losing control. This feeling makes the "event" seem significant for a long time. It would bother me for quite some time if I did nothing to the offender...it would really eat at me. I would rather get even. If not at that exact moment, I would wait until some later time when revenge might be more practical. I would want the offender to know what is happening to him and why it is happening...without being able to prove who did it.

People, this is something most don't want to admit. Punishment, retribution and revenge has been around forever and it is not a bad thing. Just be smart about it. I am not saying that I recommend murder or serious bodily injury for vandalism...but there is no limit to the things you can do to make someone wish they didn't f^#% with you.

EDIT: Please not this is not any sort of legal advice. As I've said before, what is legally impermisible is sometimes morally correct.

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Originally Posted by newyiddy20
im new........loving this forum,lumping myself in!! Buffalo.......whats cooking up there ? and hows the weather ? im in nyc.....
It's all good. Typical spring weather... drove the Vette to work all last week. 10" snow over the weekend. 65 today; the snow is gone, roads dry, and I'll be driving the Vette to work tomorrow. Just takin it day by day. Spent a couple weeks working out of my employers Jersey City office recently. Hoboken is cool...

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Now returning you to our previously scheduled thread...
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Originally Posted by Prosecutor
To the original poster...never underestimate the satisfaction and comfort that comes from pure unmitigated retribution. Because of the type of work I have done in the past, I have a real hatred for those that go through life with little regard for the persons or property around them. They literally send me into a rage.

Maybe it this is sad, but I believe that a significant number of people are just a waste of space...thieving, vandalizing, wife battering pieces of crap. These people are not making "mistakes"; rather, they are defective in some material respect. They are fundamentally bad people...not people that happen to do bad things. A mistake is when a person accidently picks up the wrong umbrella because it looks like theirs as you leave a restaurant...intentionally harming anothers person or property because they don't care or consider it wrong (especially when this is frequent behavior or the offender is an adult) is a sign of being a complete waste of space. These people need to be dealt with harshly. I believe they are fair game for whatever I feel like dealing out, and I consider it a public service.

In my professional life I had to deal with criminals within the confines of the law...in my personal life I am not nearly as forgiving. One of the most frustrating things about being the victim of crime is a feeling of losing control. This feeling makes the "event" seem significant for a long time. It would bother me for quite some time if I did nothing to the offender...it would really eat at me. I would rather get even. If not at that exact moment, I would wait until some later time when revenge might be more practical. I would want the offender to know what is happening to him and why it is happening...without being able to prove who did it.

People, this is something most don't want to admit. Punishment, retribution and revenge has been around forever and it is not a bad thing. Just be smart about it. I am not saying that I recommend murder or serious bodily injury for vandalism...but there is no limit to the things you can do to make someone wit they didn't f^#% with you.

EDIT: Please not this is not any sort of legal advice. As I've said before, what is legally impermisible is sometimes morally correct.

Counselor, once again you amaze me....

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Originally Posted by newyiddy20
love the people on this forum.....feeling a disturbing trend here though,and i could be wrong. i see that on the daily,someones vette is being messed with either by design or mistake..real easy to digest,until its your vette involved, i understand but, are we really considering "kicking someone ***" or worse because of a material item ? people......its a machine,an extraordinary one,but nonetheless,a machine!! many a life have been lost in the heat of the moment over something that can be replaced. im no pacisfist, i will defend myself when i feel threatened,and will defend anyone in my family the same,but i wouldnt spend 1 minute in custody over something i pay insurance to cover!!! there are many many people in jails all over the country who have plenty of time to sit and contemplate why they would have given up their freedom to hurt or kill someone over a
such minor trivial incidents! it amazes me when i read things like i would have killed the guy for paintballing my car or spilling soda on it or some other jazz. rational thinking has got to come into play,are the majority of us really that hot tempered ? or are there just a lot of psuedo tough guys on the forum who would never attempt any of it ?


Rational Thinking??? Are you kidding?? Now thats a Rich one!!
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Well.......

To most of us, the Corvette is not just another car, or some materialistic thing. It's our pride and joy besides being our transportation and hobby all in one.

All the time spent caring for it, modding it, enjoying it, and, in general, lovin' it, to see some "space-waster" (thanks, Prosecutor) abuse our objects of pride, is upsetting, to say the least.

Sure, it might be irrational to get mad over an object that can be replaced. But since when have humans been consistently rational? If we were rational in all things, who would have kids? (I'll wait while you think that one over.)...

I understand your major point, however. But I don't think that there's a trend in that direction. This is a great forum and I have lots of fun on it and have gained lots of good information. But you have to allow people to vent and this is a safe place to do it.
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no one is talking about actually murdering someone (at least not I)..but i guess if i ever catch someone in the act of disrespecting my property, i am supposed to assess them some sort of diplomatic immunity?? above and beyond the material object, it's the principle of the matter..if you feel like you can disrespect me or anything i own, i owe you a problem..FTDS bro..it doesn't go down like that in L.A.
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Yiddy Must be new here!!!!!!!!
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I've got an idea. Why don't we hang signs on our vettes, that tell the low life scum that we are insured. That way they won't feel bad about vandalizing it. That way if we do catch them in the act, we can cheer then on. Well, we are insured. I can picture this. I interrupt a low life keying my car, and I say. You missed a spot. Yeah, that would happen.
Time for the ball bat, maybe I could hit a home run with his head.
Sorry for the rant. I really hate this passive crap.
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[QUOTE=StephenT]My rational thought is the shift key must be broke on your keyboard and it sometimes enters lots of periods. [/QUOTEno........thats the way i talk! real dramatic,ya know!
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please........dont get me wrong, it would take every fiber in my body just to keep from putting my hands around someone's neck to protect my property,vette or not. im just advocating that revenge vigilante style is probably not the way to go. if someone perpetrates vandalism towards your property and you proceed to "haul off" on them,you are now"just as guilty" as them,put yourself at risk for arrest,jail time,lawsuit,etc. and over something like someone spraying soda on your car,to me,just doesnt seem worth it. yes, it would eat at me not to beat the living day lite outta someone, for about 10 seconds! i geuss some of my friends on this forum need to figure out their priorities
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