I was wondering if anyone has tried both the michellin pilots and the goodyear super cars. I have only had my '01 Z06 2 weeks and it has a new set of the Michellins. To read the tire rack reviews, it sounds like the michellins are the better tires, and roughly the same $$. I know the eagle super car tires were designed for the Z06. Which ones have the best traction (least wheel spin) ? It seems like WOT = spinning tires. Fun but expensive and slows the car down if racing.

 

I use the PS2s mostly because of the water management and because I love the width (315/30). The SCs are stickier but don't last as long and definitely don't handle water at all.

 

I tried 315 MPS's after my original GY's wore down.
I HATED them! Their cornering was NO WHERE near the F1's, neither was straight ahead traction.
As for the GY's in wet weather, I got caught in a monsoon, & I mean MONSOON like 2 months ago. Put it this way, SUV's were pulled over on the side of the road. The ones that weren't were doing about 25 mph.
I was still going and doing 40mph, NO PROBLEM!!! As long as you ease it off the line & drive sensibly, they're fine.
I couldn't get rid of the Michellins fast enough! I too heard all of the MPS hooplah & bought into it. What a mistake! You can trust me, I'm a stickler. I'm sure many are not as fanatical with the tires & the feel as me. I guess the MPS were fine for them...
Ron

 

I will never buy PS2's again. I liked nothing about them. I liked the SC's and even did a HPDE day in the rain with them. Currently I have the GY F1-D3's since they now have the 295's and love them however it is not the first time I have used them. Given your choices I would go SC.

 

 

I aagree with Dr. Ron regarding all the hype.

I have F1 supercars on my Z.....have been caught in some brutal weather while driving the vette (yes I drive it in the rain and it hasn't melted yet ) Drove to Carlisle this year in rain all the way down. With all the hype I heard here i was really concerned about driving the car in the rain. I drove according to the conditions and had a great trip down. Never lost control or spun out. The Supercars really impressed me in the rain. Would I race with them in the rain??? Look at my avatar.....I'm sold on them!!!!

just my 2cents

Jay

 

So the SC's have better traction and are good in the rain, but don't last as long.
Has anyone tried the cheapie Firestones ?
Just trying to decide what is the best performance/value. I will be buying tires every summer I think.
Right now I think I will be trying the super cars after I wear out my michellins. I really want the best traction I can get.

 

If you don't burn out all the time the GY F1's last just fine. I just turned 40,000 miles on mine and they are still legal.

 

I have never used Micheliens but have went through two sets of F1s. The F1s are very easy to spin lose all the way up to third gear. I now am on my first set of Nitto NT01 (recomended for off road use only= track use) I have almost 600 miles on them and they stick good.
They are much harder to spin because of the 100 tread wear compared to the 220 tread wear of the F1s.
The Nittos are an hand full to drive in the rain. I had to slow down to 40 MPH going up the Cajon Pass in a pouring rain. Semi where passing me on the left. If you don't drive in the rain they are great tires.

I would never buy F1s after useing the Nittos NT01s.

 

GOODYEARs F1 are better for daily use/drag/road racing...

PS/ps2 might have an edge on GY in the rain but not by much...

Drag racing----- GY are better of the line

Road racing----- GY are better around the corners, u feel the car more

335-30 GY compared to 335-30 Mich PS is about 1/2 wider...

 

Yes, I agree. The F1s are better than the PS and PS2s. If you like the F1s and don't drive in the rain try the Nittos NT01s, they are very sticky and hard to spin.

 

The Supercars make great track tires for doing HPDE to get started. Below 1/2 tread they can be squirrely in the rain. You just have to pay attention and not overdrive them. 1/2 tread on the track they are very quick for a tire that is listed as a street tire. Lateral grip is excellent. I don't drag race but have tried them on an autox course. They spin easily in 2nd coming out of elements trying to accelerate. Have had no trouble with them on the track. I've gone through 2 sets.

I'm now using Nitto R2 on the track. Will probably try the NT01 or Toyo RA1 next time. Comparing the Nitto R2/NT01 to the Supercar tires is not a good comparisson. That is comparing a 220 treadwear street tire to 100 tread wear road racing tire. If the Nittos weren't a lot better then they wouldn't be a waste of money. I like the R2s and have gone through a couple of sets. I wouldn't run them as street tires though.

 

"PS/ps2 might have an edge on GY in the rain but not by much..."

Lots of interesting comments here, and in other posts.
This thread seems to contradict previous "comparisons".

I currently have relatively new PS2's. I've posted about them before.

I will add a bit of new info. My brother has a '04 Cobra SVT. And, when we met in August in Colorado for "condo week golf", he had just put on brand new F1 "replacements". Front and rear 17" 2.75's. So, his tires are not the exact same size as Z06 F1's. My PS2's had about 2000 miles on them.

On the way back to my place in AZ, we hit a BIG monsoon on I-40 west of Flagstaff. Some "minimial" mountain grades and curves. But, enough that DOT keeps the posted speeds to 65 mph. I felt no problem maintaining 85 mph when you could not even see the painted line stripes due to water buildup. I could feel the "steering inputs" were still more than acceptable. He was not willing to maintain that pace. Not even close.

Just to "calibrate" you, my brother is willing to go a LOT faster than I usually do. Earlier, in passing people in the dry, he used HIGH three figure "numbers". I used "low" numbers ( Ok, think like maybe "near" 120 ). Oops, that is a typo.
So, take your pick. He is either "braver" or more "stupid" than me. I choose the latter.

I've previously reported when my original F1's were "quite new" in a Colorado rainstorm, I thought they were quite good on wet pavement. But, a little dicey in "flooded road" corners.

I'll have to say, contrary to above reports, I am VERY happy with PS2's vs. F1's in "flooded track" conditions.

And, I've got a LOT of experience between the two tires in dry conditions on TIGHT ( 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear ) mountain corners. Not all out tracking conditions, but real world 7/10th's driving where a mistake costs you the car, and maybe VERY serious injuries. The good mistake is hitting the "inside" rock wall. The BAD mistake is through the guardrail and "over the side".

Under those dry conditions, I can't tell which is better. They are both VERY good.



Oops, just reread this before posting.
This is all a fantasy. NO REALITY here, just made-up bs. Honest Officer, ALL made-up fantasy.

 

...always a host of widely varied opinions on tires.


The out-spoken retired professional racer's opinion remains consistent - I'll take the F1s every time.

 

For those of you running 315's or 335's in the rear, what size are you running up front?

 

I had Michelin sport ps2 and the sport.The Ps2 is really a dry weather tire only,handles great but suck in the rain,the sport tire handles just has well,but is much better in the rain.

My Sports were 335/30/18,the Ps2 was a 335/30/20.

I have never had any goodyear tires,so these are my opinions on the Michelins

 

I had 275/35/18's on 18x10

 

I have NO disagreement with the above opinion.
Within the parameters of "the above opinion".

We just have to sort out what the "tire opinion inquiry" is after:

1. Street, rain performance vs. dry performance.
2. Street, dry, worried about "straight line traction".
3. Street, dry, worried about "cornering power".
4. Track, drag-racing on stock "every-day tires", not "drag radials".
5. Track, road-racing "HPDE days" amateur stuff.
6. REAL SERIOUS road-racing track stuff (we wouldn't even be talking about "these tires" ).

Feel free to add "your category of choice".

 

I'll run the F1s aross the board. Since the vehicle is a street car, competitive road racing in a series with it is not in it's future and therefore no slicks enter the equation. I'm confident in the F1's performance on the Z06 from crusing to ten-tenths driving in all conditions as is clearly indicated by the picture in my previous post - which by the way was shot in a turn, and when I say turn, think turn - like 360 exit ramp kind of turn. Individual results may vary as widely as driver skill allows. (pretty damn wide )

 

Forgive me, but I think THAT is one of the most dangerous lines I've read in quite a while.

I've run 2 HPDE events on my original F1's, which have maybe 3/32 tread left on them. They handled beautifully @ Pocono's long course & Watkens Glenn as well.
I don't drive my car in the rain, so rain performance is not applicable to me.
Just street driving was enough for me to know the MPS's were NO WHERE near the performance of the GYF1's. I would NOT try the PMS's on a road course. My confidence would be maybe 40% of waht it is w/ the F1's coming out of the Esses at W.G. at over 100 mph!

Just my opinion. Others opinions WILL vary.
Ron