HP gain with BLACKWING
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So for speeds under 140mph you just have a really good cold air intake, but speeds 'well over' 140mph you actually start to see increased atmospheric pressure or "Boost". Although, higher velocity air still gives the added benifit of increase manifold velocity right? Because the speed of the air in the intake manifold should be quicker with ram air than just a CAI, and assuming the manifold is designed well that should benifit it's effeciency.
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I put a Blackwing on, saw no improvement, and subsequently took it off. Right now it's in its original box right next to the exercise bike my wife never uses. 
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This is nothing but hype, any CIA, throttle body by pass, smooth air bellow, K&N filter, 10.4 wires isn't going to do a damn thing 
. If you wan't to see and feel power gains, go with Lt headers, stall, gears, intake manifold, nitrous or forced induction
. Feeling hps gain with anything other than those mods done to your car is just your imagination!
. If you wan't to see and feel power gains, go with Lt headers, stall, gears, intake manifold, nitrous or forced induction . Feeling hps gain with anything other than those mods done to your car is just your imagination!
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I've got a 2004 Coupe with 4000 miles on it. The only mods are Blackwing, Borla X pipe, and a Corsa Indy cat back. During the Labor Day event at the Museum I had mine base line dyno run. 303rwhp.
I think the Blackwing was a waste of money. I removed a ZO6 air cover with a K&N filter in favor of the Blackwing.
I think the Blackwing was a waste of money. I removed a ZO6 air cover with a K&N filter in favor of the Blackwing.
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I also have an 80mm BBK TB, LS6 manifold, and Corsa Catback.... but we all know those mods also don't add any horsepower -- so it must be the Blackwing.
And, oh, .... one more, no MAF screen -- but again, that doesn't add anything either, so it must be the Blackwing.
That's why I know that 336 hp all comes from the Blackwing.
And, no, the car has never been "tuned".
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Err............., no.
I also have an 80mm BBK TB, LS6 manifold, and Corsa Catback.... but we all know those mods also don't add any horsepower -- so it must be the Blackwing.
And, oh, .... one more, no MAF screen -- but again, that doesn't add anything either, so it must be the Blackwing.
That's why I know that 336 hp all comes from the Blackwing.
And, no, the car has never been "tuned".
I also have an 80mm BBK TB, LS6 manifold, and Corsa Catback.... but we all know those mods also don't add any horsepower -- so it must be the Blackwing.
And, oh, .... one more, no MAF screen -- but again, that doesn't add anything either, so it must be the Blackwing.
That's why I know that 336 hp all comes from the Blackwing.
And, no, the car has never been "tuned".
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My 2000 Hardtop at the time had the more restrictive airbox than the 2001 and up, Had a baseline dyno in 2000 with 305hp/324ft lbs. Six months later with ONLY Blackwing and Borla Stingers added I went to 332hp and 346 ft lbs. (same dyno)
net gain= 27hp and 22 ft lbs.
2001 and later would net less gain
net gain= 27hp and 22 ft lbs.
2001 and later would net less gain
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This thread started out with a question on "HP gain with a Blackwing".
Fast Mover dynoed 332 hp with only a Blackwing and a cat-back.
I dynoed 333, 335, and 337.
That's 1 hp, 3 hp, and 5 hp, more than him, and well within tolerance for different dynos.
If all of his 27 hp was due to the Blackwing, I'll let you make the same assumption that so was mine.
I'm glad that both he and I were able to provide non-SOTP, dynoed results of what the Blackwing produces.
Thank you for your comments.
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We should start a new thread here, listing all the factory freaks that there are out there and see just how many are on the east coast....the northeast coast for that matter.
How 'bout it guys? We got two here already. Who'd like to be the third?
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Hi Guys -
Aside from the "my car is better than yours" stuff - back to the topic at hand.....
Does anyone have a baseline dyno sheet (that would be your car, on the dyno, without ANY MODS including intake manifolds, throttle bodies etc) and then the dyno chart - same day same dyno, with a blackwing installed?
I have not seen this kind of evidence.
Simply providing a dyno sheet and saying "See, here is my car with a blackwing - look what it did!. Must be the blackwing! Oh and I do have some other intake mods too but those are insignificant." is not convincing.
However, I do not think it is outside the realm of reason for an ls1 to put 330+ to the wheels, although it is much more common to see closer to 300-310 from a bone stock ls1.
EHS is saying his car is making stock 01 ls6 power with an ls6 manifold, slightly larger throttle body, and an uncorked air-cleaner. That sounds reasonable at least to me.
There are so many cars here making over 600 rwhp, there really is not going to much glory in trying to misrepresent a car as having 330ish rwhp - why would EHS be lying?
best regards-
mqqn
Aside from the "my car is better than yours" stuff - back to the topic at hand.....
Does anyone have a baseline dyno sheet (that would be your car, on the dyno, without ANY MODS including intake manifolds, throttle bodies etc) and then the dyno chart - same day same dyno, with a blackwing installed?
I have not seen this kind of evidence.
Simply providing a dyno sheet and saying "See, here is my car with a blackwing - look what it did!. Must be the blackwing! Oh and I do have some other intake mods too but those are insignificant." is not convincing.
However, I do not think it is outside the realm of reason for an ls1 to put 330+ to the wheels, although it is much more common to see closer to 300-310 from a bone stock ls1.
EHS is saying his car is making stock 01 ls6 power with an ls6 manifold, slightly larger throttle body, and an uncorked air-cleaner. That sounds reasonable at least to me.
There are so many cars here making over 600 rwhp, there really is not going to much glory in trying to misrepresent a car as having 330ish rwhp - why would EHS be lying?
best regards-
mqqn
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Think about it for a second. If there was a real improvement from just the Blackwing only, don't you think the Blackwing folks themselves would show the kind of charts you're looking for?
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With no other mods like maybe a throttle body, L6 intake, Corsa Catback?? Oh did you forget to mention extensive Dyno Tuning?
You didn't, and there wasn't any involved.
BTW the pictures of your car on the Dyno with a list of you mods are posted on another thread.
Then you come on the thread posting up Dyno sheets that you're getting 336 insinuating that it's all because of the Blackwing then saying you don't have any other mods.
Now some guy comes along sees your post and runs out and buys one thinking I'm going to get 30+ RWHP.
When people go on the Forum they are looking for HONEST answers they can base their decisions on.
You intentionally misled them.
That is not Cool.
