what year is the viper? a bone stock vette WILL beat some of the earlier vipers just not some of the new ones - i have a friend whose 02 Z06 would run circles around some older vipers on a road course. The older Viper in particular dont handle well at all - straight line yes - turn no

 

Things like that happen so fast.

I am trying to visualize what you are saying, but I can't. I am usually way too the right going in to 5. Is there a gator on the left at the start of the turn? I will need to look at closer at T5 during warm-up laps when I am at RA next time.

I love going through the Esses at WOT, and using the gator at the top to maximize my speed through 5. However, since it is usually a traffic bottleneck through there, I don't get to run my fastest. Maybe that's a good thing!

 

There are a plethora of good head/cam combos out there. Your best bet is to find a very Corvette-experienced performance shop who also does dyno-tuning. Tell them what you already have, what you're looking to accomplish (max torque is what you want), what you're willing to put up with (idle lope, steetability, valve train noise, valve spring life, etc.) and what your budget is, and they will recommend a good head/cam combo. FYI - Max HP does NOT mean max torque! And it's the torque that brings you out of the corners fast. Have THEM dyno-tune it!

IMO the guys who claim better tuning via "steet tuning" are pretty much covering for the fact that they can't afford a dyno! As far as accuracy of feedback, there's just no comparison between the "seat of your pants" and a well-calibrated computer.

Still, despite everyone's focus on HP, I go back to my original post - Seat time will get you better lap times than HP will get you!!! IMO if you spent $4K to $5K on track time, you'd be MUCH faster than you would be with heads & cam without the track time!

IMO the guys who just blindly say that a Viper beats a Vette on a road course, don't really understand how important track experience and skill are. We all think we're great drivers - Hey, we drive Vettes! I felt that way too, until I went to the track with my 520HP Specter Werkes GTR Vette and got left in the dust by great divers in Miatas and Subarus! Could I blow by them on the straights? . . . Sure! But if they got ahead of me anywhere in or near the twisties, all I ever saw of them after that was tail lights fading into the distance. I'm still improving my skills after quite a bit of track time, and still get beat by lesser cars with better drivers. Bottom line is that with the relatively short starights on a road course, big HP is worth maybe 2 to 4 secoinds improvement in lap times, whereas a car set up for handling (tires, suspension, alignment) in the hands of a skilled driver is probably worth 10 to 20+ seconds per lap.

Go out and eat some Viper for lunch!!!

Dave

 

Once I was going backwards it all I said was," Dear GOD. Thank you for a wonderful life, but I am not quite finished Yet. Kim ( Wife to be ) I love you."

Bang, I hit the wall

Caught my breath, then I said. "thanks God"

THEN I SAID









Oh well. Ok Now what??




Called Kim that evning and she said, " Well your calling me not Mark ( track travel buddy) so your OK. Besides you DID want to get those aero body parts. Now is your chance."

Good women.

The left gaters are on the apex, before you swing right over the right side gaters to the extra concreat / track over there. I cut the corner a touch early.

 

Gotcha...now I know what you are talking about.

 

If the exhaust can be changed, then the STS is the only way to go. It's really just a fancy Cat Back exhaust really... ;-)



Dan

 

Post your question in the Roadracing section. One thing you must know - Good R Compund tires make all the difference on a roadcourse.

Vipers typically use Hoosiers, one of the best R compound tires but also for experienced roadcourse drivers

But dont even think about street tires on a roadcourse as You will get left behind killed. You will need an R compound tire of some sort.

 

just burned up my clutch found a spect stage 3 and light fly wheel t ordered a hot cam from the dealer and have a zo6 intake and ls6 t body the heads are coming from a 2004 zo6 and they have an appointment with the cnc.mill.the tires are going to be kv710 on z wheels the springs are t1 and hochkis sway bars.bilstine sports.what about the throw out barring .
o by the way if u have a viper and your buddy with a c5 challenge you to a race on the rack dont show off at a red light and put the thing into the ditch.if i had the rites to post pictures i would, and ,you all would die .

and the races at RA i am talking about are sponsered by the scca south east region and it is supposed to be in march some time.

 

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1523129

 

So you have your SCCA licence?

http://www.atl-scca.org/

 

nasa track day sponsered by nasa southeast my bad and no i have not got the license no full blone race car march 16th 18 th

 

Since you are talking about this type of an event...
http://www.nasa-southeast.com/hpde.jsp And you posted previously that you and your friend are in Group 1 & Group 2 respectively. You will both have instructors in your cars and there is no direct competition, so modding your car is academic. Just go, learn, and have fun.

You can also sign-up for Panoz Open Track, drive in Group C (lead-n-follow), then drive in Group B the next time and see how you do against each other.
http://www.panozracingschool.com/Tra...DaysQandA.aspx

 

i just have to ask why you would have bet this guy in the first place. he's got more experience than you. it seems like a lot more. on that note. good luck to you, and i would say practice, practice, practice.

 

I will be there. Either insturcting or if the car is done, W2W in ST1

 

I'm planning on attending with NASA since it's one of the few clubs that I can actually get seat time at RA.

Not to rain on your parade and all, but...
An HPDE is not an open race. So how are you planning on timing this little racing bet you have? You won't be running W2W. You're in DE 1 and your buddy is in DE 2. If he has that much experience on track I don't see how he would be in DE 2. Your AX background will help you learn track better than having no experience. But RA is no place for a newbie to be pushing a car that hard trying to beat a Viper or anything else for that matter.

I would just suggest that you cancel this bet and go learn and have fun. Someone is going to get hurt with the approach I'm hearing from what you are trying to do... If your instructors figure out what you guys are up to you will get booted from the event. I feel for your instructor already...

 

put the pics online somewhere and link them here.

 

the viper is dead i am laughing so hard i can not set in the chair. One word of advice do not power shift a viper and try to change lains .It leades to your car ending up in a ditch.u will try to link the picts. not very computer savy. you all are great! have to put a new clutch in the vet this weekend but it will be up and running sunday. I have took all the advice and am appling it my buddy is using his experience at RA and is using his video to help . I am trying to be prepared. thying to get

 

dude you have to go back to English class. It is painful to read your posts.

 

get some Kumho V710's, shocks, larger sway bars
get some practice on the track beforehand
there has been some prepped vipers come to the events for playday afterwards- too much power, not enough skill
most of us run faster lap times