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By the same token, why not buy Pep Boys brake pads, Gabriel shocks, Kmart wax, and ebay steel wheels? C'mon, we're talking about a car that costs $50,000 new. Let's not treat it as if it is a Kia that cost $8,000 new.
why pay $1000 when you can pay $500 for something that more than meets your needs?
the reason you don't use Pep Boys brake pads, Gabriel shocks, Kmart wax, and ebay steel wheels is because those things suck.
In the last 2 years, I've got through 2 sets of MXs, 2 sets of 710s and 1 set of ASXs. The only one I wouldn't buy again is the ASX although I am giving the Hoosier A6s a try instead of the 710s
Once again, the Corvette tax has brainwashed alot of people in here.
Price does NOT reflect quality and performance. The Kumho MX tire is one of the best for the money I've seen it perform very well in other tests and even out performed alot of those that ranked high in the test posted above. Alot of the Z06 guys run them for auto-x and daily driving. If it's good enough for a Z06, then it should be good enough to replace a OEM runflat.
Rather than reading Kuhmo bashing from those that went out and spent big bucks for other tires...I'd like to see comments from those that actually run Kuhmo's now. And how they feel the Kuhmo's stack up to their previous tires..Best people to have a take on Kuhmo's are the people who have them!!!
I’m running the MX’s 275/40-17 and 295/35-18. I haven’t put many miles on them yet, but so far I’m very pleased with them. They’re infinitely better than the stock runflats. I expected to lose some steering feel due to the softer sidewalls of the MX’s, but it has not been an issue. If anything the steering is less twitchy and more stable feeling. Dry cornering performance is much improved and more consistent. The runflats had a nasty habit of breaking loose all at once. The MX’s start to slide gradually and give more feedback. I can’t comment on wet performance. I try not to drive in the rain. If I find myself caught out in the rain, I head straight for home and never test the wet performance as no tire in the world will give me any traction on a wet road.
I have had a set of MXs and (presently) a set of MX runflats on my 99 and have been very satisfied. They exceed the Original Equipment in every way except treadwear. The runflats are not quite as smooth and quiet as the non-runflats, but the peace of mind is worth it IMHO. Both are very good in the wet and in the dry, but impossible on snow. One runflat was out of round, but Tire Rack replaced it immediately with no hassles.
When I bought my Z06 used in 2004 and it still had the GY Supercars on it. I was very impressed with the dry traction but they were noisy and the wet traction was not very good at all. I decided to go with the MXs due to their very attractive price. I got the tires and I instantly noticed that the dry traction wasn't even up to par with the two year old SCs. I was not really surprised because I had heard the GY SCs have some amazing dry traction. When it came to wet traction they were much better. On the interstate lane changing was a little wobbly but the noise was much less.
I recently ordered a set of Forgeline VR3P wheels in 18x10 and 18x11 and I ordered a set of BF Goodrich KD tires to go with them. I know that the wet traction is not very good but I don't plan on driving in the rain if I can help it. My cousin had a Camaro SS with the KDs on it and it was a handling beast. I can't wait.
Once again, the Corvette tax has brainwashed alot of people in here.
Price does NOT reflect quality and performance. The Kumho MX tire is one of the best for the money I've seen it perform very well in other tests and even out performed alot of those that ranked high in the test posted above. Alot of the Z06 guys run them for auto-x and daily driving. If it's good enough for a Z06, then it should be good enough to replace a OEM runflat.
Many people use NAPA rotors for racing because they are so cheap and racing can be so expensive. Are they the best rotors money can buy for the street? Absolutely not. They are inexpensive and do a halfway decent job of braking, so they are popular.
The same holds true with cheap tires. If you can't notice the difference on the street because you drive very conservatively at all times, then why not save even MORE money by getting Sumitomos? Heck, why not get a Kia instead of Corvette. Casual driving means you may not be able to tell the difference.
Get Bilsteins when you need shocks only if you can really use them. If not, just get the Gabriels and save a boatload of moolah; it's as simple as that!
Many people use NAPA rotors for racing because they are so cheap and racing can be so expensive. Are they the best rotors money can buy for the street? Absolutely not. They are inexpensive and do a halfway decent job of braking, so they are popular.
The same holds true with cheap tires. If you can't notice the difference on the street because you drive very conservatively at all times, then why not save even MORE money by getting Sumitomos? Heck, why not get a Kia instead of Corvette. Casual driving means you may not be able to tell the difference.
Get Bilsteins when you need shocks only if you can really use them. If not, just get the Gabriels and save a boatload of moolah; it's as simple as that!
The same can be said of the Corvette. It’s inexpensive and provides great performance for the money.
Dave I’m glad you love your GSD3’s so much. They are not however the end all be all of performance tires as you and Car& Driver would have us believe. It seems you make it a point to promote these tires constantly, while dismissing other brands especially Kumho.
You need to search the forum for Kumho and you will get 11+ pages of comments,, I have them on my C5 and hate them. They are noisy, and wear quickly, I wont ever buy another set of run flats.. The non-runflats are great tires,, have a set on my C4 and love them.....go figure,,,anyway,, I have never had a flat in 35,000 miles on my C5,,so this is the last set of run flats...thanks ron
Many people use NAPA rotors for racing because they are so cheap and racing can be so expensive. Are they the best rotors money can buy for the street? Absolutely not. They are inexpensive and do a halfway decent job of braking, so they are popular.
the reason people use OEM rotors for DEs is that they work for a fraction of the cost
case in point:
Now, I am willing to bet that all of the T-1 drivers would be running BBKs if they were allowed to change them, but you're talking thousands of dollars for minimal gains that most people aren't even good enough drivers to actually take advantage of.
But hey what do I know, in the years of the family owned tire store you know what 2 brands I saw more shifted belts in?
Goodyear and Michelin.
Why are they so expensive? Well it was said before.
Advertising and labor cost.
You need to factor in sales volumes for the defective tires. GR and Mich sell much higher volumes than all the other tire manufactures.(Fortune 5 companies) It's going to be natural to see shifted belts in them more often because there are more people using them.
You also need to factor in engineering expense into GR and Mich. Their engineerings staff is far superior to that of the smaller brands...I work with them. More time in the test lab, R&D, modeling etc. It's easy for a smaller company to come along and reverse engineer a product that a company sunk a lot of $$ into and then sell it to the public for cheaper. Happens all the time.