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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kentyk
I have a 2000 convert and I ran over a nail. I took it to the local tire shop and they said that the Goodyear Eagle GS run flat tires are not repairable. They quoted me a price on a new tire, it was $500. A little steep!!

The nail is not in the sidewall it is in the middle of the tread. Will a regular tire patch work to fix the tire or was I being scammed?

KK
He is wrong it can be patched i had the same thing a nail three years ago in the tread took the car to national tire and battery and they repaired it for me i also have run flats.Charlene
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 10:02 AM
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plug AND patch is the correct way to repair this.
The plug and glue seals the cord of the tire from getting water wicking down them, heating up, turning to steam and causing delamination. the patch completes the seal from the inside, keeping the air or nitrogen in the tire.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chucks
I had a nail dead center in the tread area, just put a regular plug in mine never had a problem with it. You can run the tire with a 1" hole in it so I don't see the problem with using a plug. I took the tire to a local Goodyear store and they said a run flat could not be repaired wanted to sell me a new tire.
If just a nail in tread a plug works fine if done correctly. Gotta use the rough up tool and some rubber cement on the plug though. I am putting on a new set of tires tommorow and will put an inside patch on that tire then just for Insurance as I am going to give away the tires for my mounting cost. They have about 3/32 left but would get someone by for a while. Of course if the hole is a big one that damaged the belts badly the tire is scrap.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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We had a screw in ours, Goodyear Eagles, and had it repaired ... no problem. once we found a shop to do it

Alot of shops can't be bothered fixing run flats because the side walls are so stiff and it's a pain

also they don't want to take the responsibilty of potentionally damaging the rims
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OsoBear
Local GY dealer fixed one for me. $35.00. Proper lifting of car, careful removal of tire, with no damage to sensor, patch does not leak. Have driven highway speeds (85 or so) for ten hours at a time. No problems. Be sure repair shop is RF savvy, not all are! ::
Mine had screw near the edge of the tread. took it to local GY shop & they said the tech that repaired run flats was leaving for the day & could I come back in the morning. The tech heard the guy say that & said let me take a look. He says it's repairable & I'll stay over to do it. He talked to me about the car & the tires the whole time he's doing the repair. He was very careful & did not rush through the repair at all. He did say that not all GY stores were equipped to handle run flats. In fact, when I called the # GM gives us for Goodyear it connected me to the local Sam's Club. The kid there didn't know what EMT tires were.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Plug it on the road and patch it in the shop.
Bought a plug kit and a twenty dollar compressor.
Have a nail, pull it out and plug it. When you get a chance get it to a garage have it removed and patched. Works great.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparkieeee
We had a screw in ours, Goodyear Eagles, and had it repaired ... no problem. once we found a shop to do it

Alot of shops can't be bothered fixing run flats because the side walls are so stiff and it's a pain

also they don't want to take the responsibilty of potentionally damaging the rims

Potential liability (lawyers dictate customer service) about repairing the tire and/or damaging the wheel is probably the limiting factor...
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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I had mine repaired for $50 at Just Tires. I've put on 10k miles since without a problem.
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Originally Posted by JDs00PewterCoupe
They can be repaired, but the shop needs to use the plug and patch method for the repair.
JD that is the only patch that will be used on mine

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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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Fixing Flats On Speed Rated Tires

PRODUCT SERVICE BULLETIN - Goodyear


PSB #98-11
August 27, 1998

SUBJECT: Puncture Repairing and Retreading of Goodyear Speed-Rated Tires (Includes Extended Mobility Tires)
With the ever increasing popularity of Goodyear Speed-Rated tires, it is important for you and your customers to know how repairing and retreading will affect the speed rating.

Accordingly, the following information will enable you to discuss these important subjects with your customers.

I. SUMMARY STATEMENT

REPAIR
A Goodyear speed-rated tire may be repaired to correct a commonly repairable nail hole puncture in the tread area only, but proper materials and procedures must be applied. INCORRECT OR IMPROPER REPAIR WILL RESULT IN THE TIRE NO LONGER BEING SPEED-RATED BY GOODYEAR, and the Goodyear warranty may also be affected.


RETREADING
If a Goodyear speed-rated tire is retreaded, it no longer is speed rated by Goodyear.

II. DETAILED POLICY - Puncture Repair of Goodyear Speed-Rated Tires

The puncture must be confined to the tread area only.
(See "Repair Area", item III-B).


Restrictions on the number and size of repairs must be followed.
(See "Puncture Repair Limits" table, item III-C).


A detailed repair procedure must be followed.
(See "Repair Procedure", item III-E).


A Goodyear speed-rated new tire repaired in strict accordance with items II-A, B & C, will retain its speed rating.
III. REPAIR PROCEDURE FOR SPEED-RATED TIRES

GENERAL
The objective of the puncture repair is to seal the tire against loss of inflation pressure and to prevent damage to the carcass from moisture. In all puncture repairs approved by Goodyear, the hole must be filled with a plug, and a patch covering the hole must be applied according to repair material manufacturer instructions to the inside of the tire. Never repair tires which are worn below 2/32" tread depth.

NOTE: No tire is to be repaired without first being removed from the rim.


REPAIR AREA
Repairing is limited to the tread area only within the outside grooves. No repairs are allowed in the tread area beyond the outside grooves or sidewall.


PUNCTURE REPAIR LIMITS TIRE SPEED
(SPEED SYMBOL) MAX. NUMBER
REPAIRS MAX. REPAIR
DIAMETER
130 mph and over
(H, V, Z) 1 1/4 in. (6mm)

Tires marked with an S, T, or U speed rating, and tires with no speed ratings may be repaired in accordance with the RMA "Puncture Repair Procedures for Automobile Tires" wall chart or Product Service Bulletin 98-12 dated August 28, 1998.


MATERIALS


Precured rubber plugs - 1/4" (6mm) diameter


Precured patches


Precured plug/patch combi-units


Chemical vulcanizing cement


Pre-buff cleaner

REPAIR PROCEDURE


CAREFULLY REMOVE THE TIRE COMPLETELY FROM THE RIM.


Locate the puncture on the inside of the tire and circle with crayon.


Remove puncturing object if it is still in the tire.


Carefully inspect tire on a good tire spreader, with ample light, which will show any cracks, breaks, punctures, damaged or broken beads.


Check liner for cuts, cracks, or holes which may cause the tubeless liner to lose air.


Check the injury with an inspection awl:


Determine size and angle of injury


Check for ply or belt separation


Reject any tire that has separation, loose cords, damaged bead(s), or any other non-repairable injury.


If the hole is simple and round, steps 9 through 17 of the puncture repair procedure will be successful.
NOTE: If the hole shows evidence of fabric splitting, such an injury cannot be properly repaired using this puncture repair procedure. Such an injury must be skived out and repaired as a section (reinforced) repair, which will maintain the serviceability of the tire, but will invalidate the tire's speed rating. If a section repair is necessary, the customer must be advised, before the repair is made, that the tire will lose its speed rating, and must not exceed operation at normal highway speeds.



Use a pre-buff cleaner and a scraper to remove contaminants from the liner in the area to be buffed around the injury.


Use a 7/32"carbide cutter for 1/4" repairs to clean out the puncture.


Make sure that the drill follows the direction of the puncturing object.


Always drill from inside to outside of tire.


Using chemical vulcanizing cement, lightly coat at least 1/2 of the tapered end of the repair plug. Install the plug in the prepared puncture according to the manufacturer's instructions. Trim the liner side of the plug slightly higher than the surface of the liner without stretching the plug.


Center the patch (or patch template) over the injury without removing the backing. Adhere to patch or template instructions, as to positioning as related to bead location. Mark around the outside edge of the patch, approximately 1/4" larger than the patch.


Buff the liner and plug at the puncture location. The buffed area should be slightly larger than the patch. The buffed surface should be finely grained (RMA 1 or 2 texture) and even for proper bonding. Use care to prevent burning the rubber with the buffing tool. Do not buff through the liner. Do not buff into the marking crayon.


Clean the buffing dust from the tire using only a vacuum or brush. Do not use gasoline or other petroleum solvents on the buffed area.


Coat the buffed liner surface and the patch with one evenly applied coat of chemical vulcanizing cement in accordance with the recommendations of the repair materials manufacturer. Allow the cement to dry thoroughly. Do not touch the cemented areas.


Install the patch with the beads of the tire in the relaxed position. Position the patch over the puncture according to the markings on the patch. Stitch the entire patch starting from the center, keeping the strokes close together to avoid trapping air under the patch.


Cut off the protruding end of the plug about 1/8" above the tread surface.


FINAL INSPECTION - The repair must seal the inner liner and fill the injury. After remounting and inflating check the repair, both beads and valve with a soap solution to assure a complete seal.
Originally Posted by kentyk
I have a 2000 convert and I ran over a nail. I took it to the local tire shop and they said that the Goodyear Eagle GS run flat tires are not repairable. They quoted me a price on a new tire, it was $500. A little steep!!

The nail is not in the sidewall it is in the middle of the tread. Will a regular tire patch work to fix the tire or was I being scammed?

KK

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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 09:43 PM
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Yes it can be patched. I picked up a screw in my right rear, took it to the local Goodyear place in Helena, Mt. (I live there) they took the tire off the rim and patched it from the inside. $10.50 total charge. The hole was on the edge of the tread. They did suggest that running it at 150 might not be smart.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:20 AM
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You need to find a shop that is qualified to repair run flat tires. If the shop that you went to doesn't want to repair the tire it may be because they are not trained. When it gets down to it they may not be trained to remove and install the tires or may not even have the correct equipment. Removing and installing run flats requires a more expensive tire changing machine than regular tires and they may not have invested in one if the requirement isn't there. Just going to a GY store may not be enough. We have two local GY stores. One that is about 5 miles from my house and the other that is 20 miles away from my house. The only one qualified to work on run flats is the one that is 20 miles away.

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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by chucks
I took the tire to a local Goodyear store and they said a run flat could not be repaired wanted to sell me a new tire.
If this is the game they are going to play then the general population better get ready for the "Big Screw". I believe I read somewhere that in the next few years, runflats will pretty much be standard on all new cars. Another, "at the mercy" situation.
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Originally Posted by my99c5vette
Fixing Flats On Speed Rated Tires

PRODUCT SERVICE BULLETIN - Goodyear


PSB #98-11
August 27, 1998

SUBJECT: Puncture Repairing and Retreading of Goodyear Speed-Rated Tires (Includes Extended Mobility Tires)
With the ever increasing popularity of Goodyear Speed-Rated tires, it is important for you and your customers to know how repairing and retreading will affect the speed rating.

Accordingly, the following information will enable you to discuss these important subjects with your customers.

I. SUMMARY STATEMENT

REPAIR
A Goodyear speed-rated tire may be repaired to correct a commonly repairable nail hole puncture in the tread area only, but proper materials and procedures must be applied. INCORRECT OR IMPROPER REPAIR WILL RESULT IN THE TIRE NO LONGER BEING SPEED-RATED BY GOODYEAR, and the Goodyear warranty may also be affected.


RETREADING
If a Goodyear speed-rated tire is retreaded, it no longer is speed rated by Goodyear.

II. DETAILED POLICY - Puncture Repair of Goodyear Speed-Rated Tires

The puncture must be confined to the tread area only.
(See "Repair Area", item III-B).


Restrictions on the number and size of repairs must be followed.
(See "Puncture Repair Limits" table, item III-C).


A detailed repair procedure must be followed.
(See "Repair Procedure", item III-E).


A Goodyear speed-rated new tire repaired in strict accordance with items II-A, B & C, will retain its speed rating.
III. REPAIR PROCEDURE FOR SPEED-RATED TIRES

GENERAL
The objective of the puncture repair is to seal the tire against loss of inflation pressure and to prevent damage to the carcass from moisture. In all puncture repairs approved by Goodyear, the hole must be filled with a plug, and a patch covering the hole must be applied according to repair material manufacturer instructions to the inside of the tire. Never repair tires which are worn below 2/32" tread depth.

NOTE: No tire is to be repaired without first being removed from the rim.


REPAIR AREA
Repairing is limited to the tread area only within the outside grooves. No repairs are allowed in the tread area beyond the outside grooves or sidewall.


PUNCTURE REPAIR LIMITS TIRE SPEED
(SPEED SYMBOL) MAX. NUMBER
REPAIRS MAX. REPAIR
DIAMETER
130 mph and over
(H, V, Z) 1 1/4 in. (6mm)

Tires marked with an S, T, or U speed rating, and tires with no speed ratings may be repaired in accordance with the RMA "Puncture Repair Procedures for Automobile Tires" wall chart or Product Service Bulletin 98-12 dated August 28, 1998.


MATERIALS


Precured rubber plugs - 1/4" (6mm) diameter


Precured patches


Precured plug/patch combi-units


Chemical vulcanizing cement


Pre-buff cleaner

REPAIR PROCEDURE


CAREFULLY REMOVE THE TIRE COMPLETELY FROM THE RIM.


Locate the puncture on the inside of the tire and circle with crayon.


Remove puncturing object if it is still in the tire.


Carefully inspect tire on a good tire spreader, with ample light, which will show any cracks, breaks, punctures, damaged or broken beads.


Check liner for cuts, cracks, or holes which may cause the tubeless liner to lose air.


Check the injury with an inspection awl:


Determine size and angle of injury


Check for ply or belt separation


Reject any tire that has separation, loose cords, damaged bead(s), or any other non-repairable injury.


If the hole is simple and round, steps 9 through 17 of the puncture repair procedure will be successful.
NOTE: If the hole shows evidence of fabric splitting, such an injury cannot be properly repaired using this puncture repair procedure. Such an injury must be skived out and repaired as a section (reinforced) repair, which will maintain the serviceability of the tire, but will invalidate the tire's speed rating. If a section repair is necessary, the customer must be advised, before the repair is made, that the tire will lose its speed rating, and must not exceed operation at normal highway speeds.



Use a pre-buff cleaner and a scraper to remove contaminants from the liner in the area to be buffed around the injury.


Use a 7/32"carbide cutter for 1/4" repairs to clean out the puncture.


Make sure that the drill follows the direction of the puncturing object.


Always drill from inside to outside of tire.


Using chemical vulcanizing cement, lightly coat at least 1/2 of the tapered end of the repair plug. Install the plug in the prepared puncture according to the manufacturer's instructions. Trim the liner side of the plug slightly higher than the surface of the liner without stretching the plug.


Center the patch (or patch template) over the injury without removing the backing. Adhere to patch or template instructions, as to positioning as related to bead location. Mark around the outside edge of the patch, approximately 1/4" larger than the patch.


Buff the liner and plug at the puncture location. The buffed area should be slightly larger than the patch. The buffed surface should be finely grained (RMA 1 or 2 texture) and even for proper bonding. Use care to prevent burning the rubber with the buffing tool. Do not buff through the liner. Do not buff into the marking crayon.


Clean the buffing dust from the tire using only a vacuum or brush. Do not use gasoline or other petroleum solvents on the buffed area.


Coat the buffed liner surface and the patch with one evenly applied coat of chemical vulcanizing cement in accordance with the recommendations of the repair materials manufacturer. Allow the cement to dry thoroughly. Do not touch the cemented areas.


Install the patch with the beads of the tire in the relaxed position. Position the patch over the puncture according to the markings on the patch. Stitch the entire patch starting from the center, keeping the strokes close together to avoid trapping air under the patch.


Cut off the protruding end of the plug about 1/8" above the tread surface.


FINAL INSPECTION - The repair must seal the inner liner and fill the injury. After remounting and inflating check the repair, both beads and valve with a soap solution to assure a complete seal.


This is exactly what my guy did!
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