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rpm might want to sell you a new tranny after yours explodes also, something to think about. Maybe it is a myth, but I have also read it in a couple different places.
it is not torque rated to pull the big end and there is not enough hp to pull it anyway, you will drop mph when going into 6th, I know people who have done this and this is what they report
it is not torque rated to pull the big end and there is not enough hp to pull it anyway, you will drop mph when going into 6th, I know people who have done this and this is what they report
Even with 550+ RWHP and 500+ RWTQ? She runs just over 130 in the 1/4 so I would think it would be able to do it... then again i've never personally tried it
Above 60 mph aerodyamics (wide resistance) comes into play and as speed increases so does aerodynamic drag big time.
The Z06s (C5 & C6) are horsepower limited, meaning they don't have enough HP to push through the wall of air they are encountering at those speeds.
More specifically: "HP limited" because of the way they are geared.
The C6 Z06 with 450 RWHP could theoretically go about 217 MPH if it was geared perfectly to take full advantage of the RWHP. Every street car could go faster than it does if the gearing was matched perfectly with it's available RWHP for a top speed run.
And what exactly is it that brings you to the conclusion that "6th gear" would break? Are you saying that the material that the 6th gear is made out of is different than any other gear? and what is your evidence to support this claim?
I'm waiting to. There is nothing wrong with 6th its just not enough power on a stock motor to plow through all that drag I think with 500 plus rwhp you could hit 200.
Nice!!
Please let me know when you do. To everyone else... Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it In my opinion I still believe a Z06 with 500+ RWHP should be able to hit 200 in 6th gear w/o breaking it.
If I could find a private area where I could legally try it with the proper equipment I certainly would, otherwise I don't wan't to go to jail or kill myself or others. Thanks again
I was wondering if my 6th gear would pull after putting in 410 gears and a cam. I am at 418rwhp. My 5th gear now only will take me to about 150mph. 6th gear now pulls at 70mph and harder at 100. I have not gone any faster since the 410's and cam yet.
I was wondering if my 6th gear would pull after putting in 410 gears and a cam. I am at 418rwhp. My 5th gear now only will take me to about 150mph. 6th gear now pulls at 70mph and harder at 100. I have not gone any faster since the 410's and cam yet.
I'd be interested to know that myself. I hope someone with personal experience can answer your question.
I was wondering if my 6th gear would pull after putting in 410 gears and a cam. I am at 418rwhp. My 5th gear now only will take me to about 150mph. 6th gear now pulls at 70mph and harder at 100. I have not gone any faster since the 410's and cam yet.
Originally Posted by Vetteoholic
I'd be interested to know that myself. I hope someone with personal experience can answer your question.
It will take about 395 RWHP to go 200 MPH ... so if the engine is producing 395 or more RWHP at whatever RPM is runs at in 6th gear with 4.10 rear end at 200 MPH, then it could pull it.
I don't have my gearing spreadsheet handy, but I've given 1/2 the answer. Someone needs determine the engine RPM at 200 MPH in 6th gear with 4.10s, then compare that engine RPM with the dyno chart to see if it's making 395+ RWHP.
Zosixin -- Off the top of my head it would be close if your engine is at peak HP near 200 MPH with that gearing.
I can speak from experience. In my open road race car(see sig) I make right at 600rwhp and top out at 206mph. It is a C4 not C5 and it has a bunch aero mods-front air dam, side skirts, lowered, extended nose(18 inchs). I loose some top end due to the wing. To prove I am not just talking here is a pic of my GPS:
I use 5th gear not 6th, but have 3:17 gears 200mph is 5100 rpms. Hitting 200 is harder then people think and running it for distance is a whole different ball game.
Jeffy'
Nice!! There's nothing like proof! Beautiful Corvette's you have too.
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask...What is the top speed of your LPE Vette? That thing looks like a beast! *With my mods & dyno numbers, what do you think my top speed would be and would it be in 6th?
I didn't check to see if you responded before to this, so sorry if I asked you twice. Going by your Vette's it seems like you would be the perfect candidate to ask this question. Thanks In Advance ~Chris
Last edited by Vetteoholic; Jan 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM.
From: KADS- If it has wings or an engine, I can break it. Dallas TX
Try the NASA Texas - Texas Mile website. It won't give HP or gear ratios or tire size. But it will give some insite on what speed some of the these cars are doing. I hope to make down to Goliad this year, to see what a bone stock 03 Z will do, top speed wise.
As fast as you can go, for as many runs your car can stand...........
It would be interesting to see how close the "speed calculators" are to actual results.
Hitting 200 is harder then people think and running it for distance is a whole different ball game.
Jeffy'
Originally Posted by 2K3Z06
It would be interesting to see how close the "speed calculators" are to actual results.
A top speed calculation model can be pretty accurate if you have accurate data on: 1) drag coefficient & frontal area (CdA), 2) rolling resistance coefficient, 3) SAE rwhp vs. engine rpm (dyno data), 4) gearing (tranny & rear end and drive tire size), 5) elevation and air conditions you're running in. Of course there is an unknown traction issue factor, but in most cases you can assume some X% slippage.
With the above data it's just a matter of determining how much rwhp is required for the target velocity and the air conditions, then determining the relationship of rwhp output vs. velocity per the drive train gearing to see if you are making enough rwhp at the target velocity. It's just a big "balance equation".
Try the NASA Texas - Texas Mile website. It won't give HP or gear ratios or tire size. But it will give some insite on what speed some of the these cars are doing. I hope to make down to Goliad this year, to see what a bone stock 03 Z will do, top speed wise.
As fast as you can go, for as many runs your car can stand...........
It would be interesting to see how close the "speed calculators" are to actual results.
Hey thanks for the great website! I've heard some talk about the texas mile and that place sounds amazing!! I would love to get down there and make some runs. On youtube some guy on a Huybusa (I think that's spelled right?) did 232 mph in the mile!! There are some other great Texas Mile vids on youtube as well. Thanks again
If you max out fifth gear, and then shift into sixth, you WILL damage the transmission. Sixth gear is NOT designed to handle those speeds with that kind of power.
-K
Ive been 195mph indicated, well past the top of fifth and into sixth. Car was still pulling hard, but the hood was fluttering pretty hard. It easily had more mph in it.
Chris,
With the 550+rwhp you should be able to hit 195 maybe 200mph. not that I advise it without some aero mods. You won't make it that high in a 1 mile shootout. There is not enough room to get up that high, at those speeds you eat up ground fast. At 200mph you travel a mile every 18sec or a football field (100 yards) every second.
You ask about my LPE TT ZO6 I have never run it yet. But it should be fast. We have added meth injection, diff and tranny coolers, rebuilt the turbos, new pistons, rods, rings. So maybe I can get a few more ponies out of it after a new tune. I also have added some aero:
Front:
Back:
We still need to put spill catchers(small side scoops,that come down a few inchs and connect to the body) and shape the top edge to follow the conture of the body.
Thanks Jeffy
Yeah, I won't be trying it anytime soon The acceleration is so intense as it is, I'm very satisfied with running the 1/4 from time to time. If I ever do run the Texas Mile, I would definately wan't the proper aero mods and safety equipment.
Thanks again for the reply and take care of those amazing Corvette's! ~Chris
That's an interesting point... I never knew the LPE Vette used a 2.73 gear for it's top speed runs. I just figured with how hard my car pulls in every gear I would be able to hit top speed in 6th. I mean at 60 mph in 6th gear this car still pulls very hard if I step on it. I couldn't believe it the first time I tried it. These procharger's love the high rpm's
I'm consfused
You can't possibly be anywhere near "high RPM's" in 6th at 60
Try the NASA Texas - Texas Mile website. It won't give HP or gear ratios or tire size. But it will give some insite on what speed some of the these cars are doing. I hope to make down to Goliad this year, to see what a bone stock 03 Z will do, top speed wise.
As fast as you can go, for as many runs your car can stand...........
It would be interesting to see how close the "speed calculators" are to actual results.
Yeah, but that's the standing mile. I had 2 friends go over 200 in the standing mile down there in the fall. They were both TT Vipers and they dyno'd around 1100rwhp. With that kind of power, 1 did 205.242 and the other did 206.974. The Ford GT's that did it were twin turbo'd. In all, there were only 10 cars that broke 200. The rest were bikes. There is no way in hell 550rwhp would get you close to 200 in the mile. There was a lawnmower that broke 68mph!