Wrecked the Vette!!!!!
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Sorry for your loss, and thankfully your here to talk about it. I totaled mine a couple of months back so I know what your going through, except for the pain of course.
Hang in there. Once your feeling up for it, you'll get another one. On a side note, looking at your pics just sealed the deal for me to invest in a full cage.
Hang in there. Once your feeling up for it, you'll get another one. On a side note, looking at your pics just sealed the deal for me to invest in a full cage.
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My brother... you and i both with the black ice!!!!
I'm sorry to say i walked away unscratched after a 70mph impact, and you only hit at 30?! I'm so sorry. But, i hit passenger front corner into a guardrail off black ice. You hit a telephone pole driver side!!!!!!!
The worst i had was a headache cuz i bumped by head on the side window.
Pics of mine are in the for sale section.
Hope everything works out ok for you!!!!!! Heal quick!
I'm sorry to say i walked away unscratched after a 70mph impact, and you only hit at 30?! I'm so sorry. But, i hit passenger front corner into a guardrail off black ice. You hit a telephone pole driver side!!!!!!!
The worst i had was a headache cuz i bumped by head on the side window.
Pics of mine are in the for sale section.
Hope everything works out ok for you!!!!!! Heal quick!
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Originally Posted by Gearhead82
Glad you're OK, but I would guess you were doing a LOT more than 30mph for all of that to happen.
Get well soon and get a nice new vette!
Thanks, but your guesses were wrong. That is my point about this thread. Alot faster and I am not posting, really. Be safe.
Originally Posted by Gearhead82
Glad you're OK, but I would guess you were doing a LOT more than 30mph for all of that to happen.
Get well soon and get a nice new vette!
Thanks, but your guesses were wrong. That is my point about this thread. Alot faster and I am not posting, really. Be safe.
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My brother... you and i both with the black ice!!!!
I'm sorry to say i walked away unscratched after a 70mph impact, and you only hit at 30?! I'm so sorry. But, i hit passenger front corner into a guardrail off black ice. You hit a telephone pole driver side!!!!!!!
The worst i had was a headache cuz i bumped by head on the side window.
Pics of mine are in the for sale section.
Hope everything works out ok for you!!!!!! Heal quick!
I'm sorry to say i walked away unscratched after a 70mph impact, and you only hit at 30?! I'm so sorry. But, i hit passenger front corner into a guardrail off black ice. You hit a telephone pole driver side!!!!!!!
The worst i had was a headache cuz i bumped by head on the side window.
Pics of mine are in the for sale section.
Hope everything works out ok for you!!!!!! Heal quick!
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I doubt it -- most folks have no appreciation for how much energy must be dissipated in a near-instantaneous stop at low speeds, and how short a time frame and crush distance to do it in.
A 30 mph impact at the door is far more severe than a 30 mph head-on hit, as there's virtually no crumple zone at the side. Basically, you have the hydroformed rail at the bottom, and the token side impact beam (which is no match for a telephone pole), and that's it -- no 6+ feet of front frame crumple/engine displacement to absorb the energy, and more importantly, to extend the collision duration so that the peak deceleration values at the occupant are much lower. Even in a side hit from another vehicle, the other vehicle's crumpling extends the impact duration and reduces the severity of the deceleration loads and minimizes cabin penetration.
So, was he doing 30 mph when he slid into a solid object from the side? I'd be willing to put money on it -- his injuries are perfectly consistent with 30. (Not to mention that I expect we would have heard differently if the *witnessing* LEO saw it different).
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A 30 mph impact at the door is far more severe than a 30 mph head-on hit, as there's virtually no crumple zone at the side. Basically, you have the hydroformed rail at the bottom, and the token side impact beam (which is no match for a telephone pole), and that's it -- no 6+ feet of front frame crumple/engine displacement to absorb the energy, and more importantly, to extend the collision duration so that the peak deceleration values at the occupant are much lower. Even in a side hit from another vehicle, the other vehicle's crumpling extends the impact duration and reduces the severity of the deceleration loads and minimizes cabin penetration.
So, was he doing 30 mph when he slid into a solid object from the side? I'd be willing to put money on it -- his injuries are perfectly consistent with 30. (Not to mention that I expect we would have heard differently if the *witnessing* LEO saw it different).
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The layperson, for the most part, has no idea how much energy-inertia is involved in a driver side impact. The occupant does not have the benefit of crumple zones, or energy absorbing equipment that would be in play in a frontal or rear impact of the same velocity, and therefore is subject to absorb the majority of the impact on their person. Injuries reflecting. Not to mention the minimizing of the impact area by a fixed object such as a telephone pole. Now we have a 1 foot area being subjected to a tremendous amount of force. Vehicle damage reflecting.
I have had the unfortunante duty of pronouncing several occupants at speeds around 30-35 at time of impact. Given vehicle damage, impact point, and opposing FIXED object, I feel 30ish-35 is an accurate estimate.
You definately had someone looking over you brother. Black ice has checked out more than one vette. I'm glad you're still with us, and sorry about the car. Looks like the JAWS and the pole were hard on you both (seeing the blood in the car) Good luck with the recovery, and make sure to post pics of the new vette when she arrives!
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The layperson, for the most part, has no idea how much energy-inertia is involved in a driver side impact. The occupant does not have the benefit of crumple zones, or energy absorbing equipment that would be in play in a frontal or rear impact of the same velocity, and therefore is subject to absorb the majority of the impact on their person. Injuries reflecting. Not to mention the minimizing of the impact area by a fixed object such as a telephone pole. Now we have a 1 foot area being subjected to a tremendous amount of force. Vehicle damage reflecting.
I have had the unfortunante duty of pronouncing several occupants at speeds around 30-35 at time of impact. Given vehicle damage, impact point, and opposing FIXED object, I feel 30ish-35 is an accurate estimate.
You definately had someone looking over you brother. Black ice has checked out more than one vette. I'm glad you're still with us, and sorry about the car. Looks like the JAWS and the pole were hard on you both (seeing the blood in the car) Good luck with the recovery, and make sure to post pics of the new vette when she arrives!
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Sometimes it is hard for people to understand reality. You don't have to believe me, nor do I care. I posted MY experience, not everyone's beliefs, just to help educate people. Take it for waht it is worth. I just don't advise you to hit a pole at 30 mph in your driver door. And no, the LEO would not post here.
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I never suggested that the LEO would post here -- my comment was directed to my expectation that the OP would have said something if the LEO had observed differently.
As far as your impressions, well, I'll leave it at observing that you apparently do not know what you're talking about from an engineering standpoint. Yes, the damage looks severe, but damage alone does not tell the whole story -- you have to know what the vehicle interacted with. In this case, the car hit an essentially immovable, unyielding object, and did so at a place where there is little in the way of crush zone or energy-absorbing structure -- this damage is *perfectly* consistent with a 30 mph impact.
Of course, as I think about it, I probably should not assume that you do not know what you are talking about (despite your unsupported assertion). My remarks are based on more than a few years in the auto industry (including observation of crash testing), and my PE license sez that I at least have some engineering knowledge that I can apply here -- what's the basis for your observation?
As far as your impressions, well, I'll leave it at observing that you apparently do not know what you're talking about from an engineering standpoint. Yes, the damage looks severe, but damage alone does not tell the whole story -- you have to know what the vehicle interacted with. In this case, the car hit an essentially immovable, unyielding object, and did so at a place where there is little in the way of crush zone or energy-absorbing structure -- this damage is *perfectly* consistent with a 30 mph impact.
Of course, as I think about it, I probably should not assume that you do not know what you are talking about (despite your unsupported assertion). My remarks are based on more than a few years in the auto industry (including observation of crash testing), and my PE license sez that I at least have some engineering knowledge that I can apply here -- what's the basis for your observation?
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I never suggested that the LEO would post here -- my comment was directed to my expectation that the OP would have said something if the LEO had observed differently.
As far as your impressions, well, I'll leave it at observing that you apparently do not know what you're talking about from an engineering standpoint. Yes, the damage looks severe, but damage alone does not tell the whole story -- you have to know what the vehicle interacted with. In this case, the car hit an essentially immovable, unyielding object, and did so at a place where there is little in the way of crush zone or energy-absorbing structure -- this damage is *perfectly* consistent with a 30 mph impact.
Of course, as I think about it, I probably should not assume that you do not know what you are talking about (despite your unsupported assertion). My remarks are based on more than a few years in the auto industry (including observation of crash testing), and my PE license sez that I at least have some engineering knowledge that I can apply here -- what's the basis for your observation?
As far as your impressions, well, I'll leave it at observing that you apparently do not know what you're talking about from an engineering standpoint. Yes, the damage looks severe, but damage alone does not tell the whole story -- you have to know what the vehicle interacted with. In this case, the car hit an essentially immovable, unyielding object, and did so at a place where there is little in the way of crush zone or energy-absorbing structure -- this damage is *perfectly* consistent with a 30 mph impact.
Of course, as I think about it, I probably should not assume that you do not know what you are talking about (despite your unsupported assertion). My remarks are based on more than a few years in the auto industry (including observation of crash testing), and my PE license sez that I at least have some engineering knowledge that I can apply here -- what's the basis for your observation?
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Glad to hear that you'll be OK. Lost my Explorer SportTrac to black ice earlier this winter but luckily was able to steer out of it. The old woman behind me wasn't so lucky. Car ended up on it's side. Fortunately she was OK w/ just a few bruises!
Gotta be careful in NYS til late April guys. Don't get Spring Fever too soon!
Gotta be careful in NYS til late April guys. Don't get Spring Fever too soon!