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Old Apr 11, 2009 | 12:51 AM
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Car was working fine and all of a sudden car doesn't start. It has code PO 108 Manifold Pressure (MAP) sensor circuit high voltage. It also showed code PO 801 HC reverse inhibit solenoid control circuit. I was not sure if it was an old code or a new one since it had an H followed by a C. If someone could tell me what this means and how i could fix it. I would appreciate it.

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Old Apr 11, 2009 | 03:09 AM
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Not one I've come across. If you have C after the code it means its current. An H on its own would have meant the fault had cleared.


Here's the troubleshooting guide from the book. The fault finding at the end reads as a table

DTC P0108
Circuit Description

The manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor responds to pressure changes in the intake manifold. The pressure changes occur based on the engine load. The MAP sensor has a 5 volt reference circuit, a low reference circuit, and a signal circuit. The powertrain control module (PCM) supplies 5 volts to the MAP sensor on the 5 volt reference circuit. The PCM also provides a ground on the low reference circuit. The MAP sensor provides a signal to the PCM on the signal circuit which is relative to the pressure changes in the manifold. The PCM should detect a low signal voltage at a low MAP, such as during an idle or a deceleration. The PCM should detect a high signal voltage at a high MAP, such as when the ignition is ON, with the engine OFF, or at a wide open throttle (WOT). Certain vehicle models will also use the MAP sensor in order to determine the barometric pressure (BARO). This occurs when the ignition switch is turned ON, with the engine OFF. The BARO reading may also be updated whenever the engine is operated at WOT. The PCM monitors the MAP sensor signal for voltage outside of the normal range.

If the PCM detects a MAP sensor signal voltage that is excessively high, DTC P0108 will set.
Conditions for Running the DTC

* The engine has been running for a length of time that is determined by the start-up coolant temperature. The length of time ranges from 4 minutes at less than -30°C (-22°F) to 30 seconds or less at more than 30°C (86°F)..
* DTC P1120, P1125, P1220, P1221, P1275, P1276, P1280, P1281, P1285, P1286, P1514, P1515, P1516, P1517, or P1518 are not set.
* The throttle angle is 0 if the engine speed is less than 1,200 RPM.
* OR the throttle angle is less than 20 percent if the engine speed is more than 1,200 RPM.

Conditions for Setting the DTC

The MAP sensor voltage is more than 4.9 volts for more than 4 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets

* The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails.
* The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The first time the diagnostic fails, the control module stores this information in the Failure Records. If the diagnostic reports a failure on the second consecutive ignition cycle, the control module records the operating conditions at the time of the failure. The control module writes the operating conditions to the Freeze Frame and updates the Failure Records.

Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC

* The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
* A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
* A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
* Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.

Diagnostic Aids

* Inspect the MAP sensor vacuum source for leaks, for restrictions, or for faulty connections.
* If an intermittent condition exists, refer to Intermittent Conditions .

Test Description

The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.

2.

The MAP sensor 5-volt reference circuit is shared with other sensors. If DTC P1635 is set, this indicates that the 5-volt reference circuit is either shorted to ground or shorted to voltage and should be diagnosed first. The short may be on another sensor 5-volt reference circuit.
4.

Operate the vehicle within the same conditions in which the DTC failed. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame/Failure Records can aid in locating an intermittent condition.

Step


Action


Values


Yes


No

Schematic Reference: Engine Controls Schematics

1


Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check-Engine Controls?


--


Go to Step 2


Go to Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls

2


1. Install a scan tool.
2. Start the engine.
3. Monitor the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Information using the scan tool.

Does the scan tool indicate that DTC P1635 is current?


--


Go to DTC P1635


Go to Step 3

3


Important

If the engine idle is rough, unstable or incorrect, repair the idle condition before using this table. Refer to Rough, Unstable, or Incorrect Idle and Stalling .

Let the engine idle.

Does the scan tool indicate that the MAP sensor voltage is greater than the specified value?


4.9 V


Go to Step 5


Go to Step 4

4


1. Observe the Freeze Frame/Failure Records for this DTC.
2. Turn OFF the ignition for 30 seconds.
3. Start the engine.
4. In order to operate the vehicle under the conditions which set the DTC, use the following information:
* The data in the Freeze Frame/Failure Records
* The parameters listed in the Conditions for Running in the DTC

Does the DTC fail this ignition?


--


Go to Step 5


Go to Diagnostic Aids

5


1. Turn OFF the ignition.
2. Disconnect the MAP sensor electrical connector.
3. Turn the ignition ON, with engine OFF.

Does the scan tool indicate that the MAP sensor voltage is less than the specified value?


0.1 V


Go to Step 6


Go to Step 8

6


Measure the voltage from the 5-volt reference circuit to the low reference circuit at the MAP sensor electrical connector.

Does the voltage measure within the specified value range?


4.7-5.2 V


Go to Step 11


Go to Step 7

7


Does the voltage measure more than the specified value?


5.2 V


Go to Step 10


Go to Step 9

8


Test the signal circuit of the MAP sensor for a short to voltage. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?


--


Go to Step 15


Go to Step 12

9


Test the low reference circuit of the MAP sensor for an open. Refer to Circuit Testing and to Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?


--


Go to Step 15


Go to Step 12

10


Important

A short to voltage on the 5-volt reference circuit may also cause a MAP sensor failure.

Test the 5-volt reference circuit of the MAP sensor for a short to voltage. Refer to Circuit Testing and to Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?


--


Go to Step 15


Go to Step 12

11


Inspect for faulty connections at the MAP sensor. Refer to Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections and to Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?


--


Go to Step 15


Go to Step 13

12


Inspect for faulty connections at the PCM. Refer to Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections and to Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?


--


Go to Step 15


Go to Step 14

13


Replace the MAP sensor. Refer to Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor Replacement .

Did you complete the replacement?


--


Go to Step 15


--

14


Replace the PCM. Refer to Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Replacement .

Did you complete the replacement?


--


Go to Step 15


--

15


1. Use the scan tool in order to clear the DTCs.
2. Turn OFF the ignition for 30 seconds.
3. Start the engine.
4. Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as specified in the supporting text.

Does the DTC run, and pass?


--


Go to Step 16


Go to Step 2

16


With a scan tool, observe the stored information in Capture Info.

Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?


--


Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List


System OK
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