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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Thanks Volzfan, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one, sort of, lol. By the way, been to Kingsport, Johnson City and Bristol many times, used to deal with General Shale Brick Co., beautiful area.
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rws.1
To add another voice to the fray...
VaraRam.
It will cut your 1/4 times by 3/10th and add at least 3 mph to your trap speeds. No other brand can post the printouts.
The high flow filters help tip-in
A cold air intake like VaraRam aids roll-on
Def. worth the extra effort to install. I went from one of the cone intakes to the VR and it is a lot better
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 03:25 PM
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Sorry to burst your HP bubbles but you are NOT going to get 10-15 hp out of a CAI and Catback!

Show me the before and after Dyno #s.

Now maybe if you replace an old dirty stock setup and do a tune you see those #s but not with ANY CAI are you going to get more the a couple of RWHP and all ANY catback is gonna get you is sound.

BTW. I run a VARARAM and I am very happy with it.
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
Sorry to burst your HP bubbles but you are NOT going to get 10-15 hp out of a CAI and Catback!
10-15 hp sounds about right. Some setups will yield more depending on the air flow. Vararam alone is good for at least 2 tenths. I've seen it at the track.
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shirl
10-15 hp sounds about right. Some setups will yield more depending on the air flow. Vararam alone is good for at least 2 tenths. I've seen it at the track.
Is that 2 tenths better than a stock breather, or 2 tenths better than another cold air induction like a Callaway?
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Just changing an air filter by itself will do very little for hp so go with a filter you like , a particular one if you are going to add headers , cam, etc later and perhaps forced induction. Otherwise if mostly stock go with one you like how it looks when the hood is open IMO
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dndrsn
Is that 2 tenths better than a stock breather, or 2 tenths better than another cold air induction like a Callaway?
Better than a stock breather.
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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I have the Halltech Venom. It was very easy to install, and looks great!!

It def. added some power and response down low.


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Originally Posted by Shirl
10-15 hp sounds about right. Some setups will yield more depending on the air flow. Vararam alone is good for at least 2 tenths. I've seen it at the track.
Dyno proof? There isn't any because NO CAI/Catback is going to get you anything close to 10 - 15 rwhp.

SOP you're not gonna feel it. The sound is different so it's all perception
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
Dyno proof? There isn't any because NO CAI/Catback is going to get you anything close to 10 - 15 rwhp.

SOP you're not gonna feel it. The sound is different so it's all perception
The sound is different because the silencers are no longer there (stock box) and more air is able to flow with an efficient filter. People that are in-tune to their car's responsiveness will feel a difference. Especially with a Vararam setup or a CAI with a ram-air-type effect (box or screens). Also, free-er flowing exhaust allows for less backpressure and these cars are responsive to intake and exhaust work, even if minimal. BTW, I'm a track person, not a dyno-queen. I don't take the car to the dyno everytime I add something. It does go to the track though. If you go .2 faster that equals about 20hp. How could you possibly say that a setup such as Vararam and B&B Bullets wouldn't yield "at least" 10-15 hp?

Btw, my tune alone netted me about 3 tenths, so I won't even go there. Do you ever go to the track or the dyno?
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Originally Posted by Shirl
If you go .2 faster that equals about 20hp. How could you possibly say that a setup such as Vararam and B&B Bullets wouldn't yield "at least" 10-15 hp?

Btw, my tune alone netted me about 3 tenths, so I won't even go there. Do you ever go to the track or the dyno?
Ok, so now you say you picked up .5 with a CAI, Catback and tune? .5 = 50 rwhp

If this is trueYou had a really bad tune to start with or you have just set a worlds record for HP gain with a CAI/Catback/Tune.

I find that the are many other factors that contribute to better times at the track. The 1st being different track conditions and the 2nd and most important is more driver seat time.

Lots of time guys credit their mods for the better times when actually they are just becoming better drivers.
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
Ok, so now you say you picked up .5 with a CAI, Catback and tune? .5 = 50 rwhp

If this is trueYou had a really bad tune to start with or you have just set a worlds record for HP gain with a CAI/Catback/Tune.

I find that the are many other factors that contribute to better times at the track. The 1st being different track conditions and the 2nd and most important is more driver seat time.

Lots of time guys credit their mods for the better times when actually they are just becoming better drivers.
http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_08...ons/index.html

argue with VetteWeb....

32RWHP from bassani tru-x catback, a hypertech(which probably cost them some hp) and a K&N FIPK

Dyno proven....
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JCamaro
http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_08...ons/index.html

argue with VetteWeb....

32RWHP from bassani tru-x catback, a hypertech(which probably cost them some hp) and a K&N FIPK

Dyno proven....
290 rwhp stock? So they started with a stacked deck. Either/And a bad tune and probably a very dirty OEM Filter.

If the filter was as installed by the owner prior to the baseline Dyno then it proves that he got no gain from the K&N CAI or perhaps was actually loosing power. (Maybe over oiled)

Stock depending an year is right at 295-305.

So getting to 321 with the mods and tune got about 20 which is great and pretty realistic but still nowhere close to 50 as some claim.

The X-pipe is part of the gain. Most don't include the X in catback gain discussions although it should definitely be considered in the equation.

I appreciate we can only rely on what we read as " indepenant and unbiased" However I'm alway suspect of claims made by the manufacturer in a magazine they run advertising in. Sometimes they neglect to tell you they changed plugs, wires etc.

Quite often the before run is done at much higher engine temps etc.

There have been cases that tuners pulled a plug wire or left a rag blocking the intake for the before run

That said. The very 1st thing I did when I bought my Vette was Corsa Catback with X and CAI (After removing the BSMs)

My 2004 A4 Dynoed at 308 rwhp with the CAI/Cat/X no tune.

Done a couple of mods since then.
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Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
Ok, so now you say you picked up .5 with a CAI, Catback and tune? .5 = 50 rwhp
Yep. Almost 5 tenths.

If this is trueYou had a really bad tune to start with or you have just set a worlds record for HP gain with a CAI/Catback/Tune.
My tune was stock and no I haven't set any records. Others have done the same. Check the drag racing section.

I find that the are many other factors that contribute to better times at the track. The 1st being different track conditions and the 2nd and most important is more driver seat time.
I agree. However, my before and after were under almost the same exact conditions only a week apart from each other. If anything, the "after" would have yielded slower ETs due to a warmer temperature. But it did not. The car ran significantly faster.

Lots of time guys credit their mods for the better times when actually they are just becoming better drivers.
I've been drag racing for over 10 years so this does not apply.
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Here in Cali we only get the cheap 91 gas. So I put somee 100 unleaded in my 04 . I have a vararam and Callaway cat back. The performance is much better than stock .
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by arkus
Here in Cali we only get the cheap 91 gas. So I put some 100 unleaded in my 04 .
If you're tuned for 91 then you can put in 100 or 110 it's not going to run any better.

Like guys putting premium in cars designed for regular...Just wasting $$$
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That's what I thought , but it runs faster . I'm 100% possitive. It was pinging a little , that's why I put the 100 in
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Originally Posted by TomBoy
Have a airbridge that has been repainted from my original Halltech system but then added the Breathless Performance cold air ram system filter and box just recently. Since I show, it has really been dressed up. I did not see any HP gain but my Borla's sure growled more getting rid of the stock intake.
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WOW! You keep your Vortex clean!!! I have to pull it off every month to clean the bugs off the lid. I have the clear lid too and I see about 10-20 "splats" on it of various bugs and sizes. And it's a pain to get that thing off.

I bought the car with it on so I have no idea if I gained any power. But I can definitely hear that thing. It's loud.
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 06:56 PM
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I have a 99 coupe with the stock air box and the clips refuse to stay down in place. I tried everything short of drilling a screw into them. Finally got so frustrated I took the whole intake system apart and still could not figure out why they keep popping up. In any event, this exercise was good practice for when I replace the cai with a blackwing. I wound up taking the clips off completely in the meantime. I'm hoping to pickup some maginal gains in hp and mileage with the blackwing but after reading these posts, can I also expect the blackwing to make my magnaflows growl a little more?

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