Originally Posted by Indy

Personally, I would only buy manual transmission sports cars...I think they give you more options (clutch + more gears), and I find stick shift cars way more fun to drive. But in traffic, autos would be easier to live with.
So forget what others tell you...get whatever you prefer

Originally Posted by petermj

There is no issue... Automatic does not belong in the vette, never did and never will. The gold chain crowd loved the auto and now seemingly women gave them a helping hand. It is truly a shame to see paddle shifters in street cars. If there was a prerequisite amputate one leg before being eligible to get an auto vette, things would clear up quickly. Seems like at least Dodge got it right with the Viper (may it rest in peace unfortunately). Not to be rude but the idea of a paddle shifter duplicating F1 feel in a performance car meant for the street is right down dumb. Now we have all these mini Schumachers "duplicating" that race feeling driving their Ferraris, Maseratis, Jags and of all things, vettes. How about a manual tranny XLR V? Let's stop pretending and kidding ourselves.

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

That's your opinion, which doesn't make it right for everyone, just right for you. And if it's not an issue, as you say, then why is there the option of a manny and an auto?

Originally Posted by SCM_Crash

Well, aside from the fact that I actually DO agree with the above statement, it's a better business practice to get more people to buy the car if it has an auto option. A car that doesn't cater to more people is a car that doesn't get purchased as much. GM dumps a lot of money into the making of the Corvette, so you can better your bottom that they're going to make it as "accessible" as possible.

Personally, I'd never own an auto Corvette as long as I have both my arms and legs. BUT I know plenty of guys that can't drive a manual. IMO, if you can't drive a manual (preference or not), you shouldn't drive at all. As harsh as that sounds, almost everyone I know that learned to drive on a manual or daily drives a manual is a far better driver than those that cannot drive a manual. There's always exceptions to that rule and some people were not born drivers either.

There's the sports car purists and there's the gold-chain wearing show-offs... I'm more of a purist. I drive a Z06. One of the reasons I bought a Z06 instead of a coupe was because you don't get the option for an auto. To me that SINGS "all sporty toughness... none of this sissy stuff". You have to admit that when a car doesn't come with an option for an auto, that's just bad-***. It's saying "I'm too much car for those boring little autos. If you drive me, you better DRIVE me."

Originally Posted by petermj

very well put. In essence, auto in cars like vette is there to make a driver's car accessible to those who really do not know how to drive... Good marketing but sucky image for the car and losing stereotypes that apparently will never go away.

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

Driving an auto doesn't make someone one of those "gold-chain wearing show-offs" (that is sooo stereotypical of you to say, and sooo completely wrong). And your reason for buying a Z06, that's really hilarious. You mean you didn't even consider a coupe because some coupes came with autos? Man that is sooo neanderthal.

Lastly, when I read that last thing you said, I instead had a picture of you SINGING "Macho, macho man, I've got to be, a macho man." Remember who sang that? Yeah, the same "bad-asses" that sang "Y-M-C-A."

Originally Posted by petermj

why of course this is my opinion, something I choose to live by 24/7. The reasons for auto being available were already stated. I suppose this is why auto goes real well with lipstick red

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

Really? Don't know how to drive huh? You know, you're a real funny man Peter. You make me laugh every time you post something. Mostly because you show your ignorance. That I can laugh at.

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

Oops, now you're insulting people who drive red vettes too? There you go again Peter, making me laugh. Although I bet those with red vettes aren't laughing with me.

Originally Posted by petermj

why is it so wrong? In the disco era, MT vettes were exception and hard to find, wonder why? Auto in performance car makes just as much sense as ground effects on VW bus... The stereotype is alive and kicking, with the addition of women finding vettes more appealing too... Again, good thing viper did not follow vette route...

Originally Posted by petermj

Why are you defending vettes with auto? Do you routinely like being told what to doh, including how to drive your car? It it already bad enough with traction control and active suspension. Laugh all you want but to me, limiting driving of allegedly a sports car to pressing gas and brake pedals and occasionally pretending to be in control by tapping stupid paddle shifter goes beyond intentional driving retardation... And again, as sucky as the shifter in the vette is, I would not even look at one with auto in it. I guess you can enjoy the spirited driving Village People style all on your own.

Originally Posted by petermj

red is a color of choice for women with illusion of power and control. Surely you cannot be that ignorant on this subject? I do not pick on colors of cars and insult male drivers who pick them, just stating some facts. I'll be happy to supply you with some references if you feel like making a bigger *** of yourself? There is a whole science of color psychology. Surely you must be familiar (giving you the benefit of doubt here)

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

Don't compare today's autos to those from the 70s Peter (unless you still like living in the 70s, who knows, maybe you do). And yeah, those vettes with autos can never beat those manny ones at the track because the manny drivers know how to shift faster than an auto can. Oops, there you go AGAIN Peter. And did I just notice you now insulting women vette owners as well? Man you're on a roll there Peter. Insulting three different vette owner groups, all in one evening. Gonna try for a fourth?

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

Really? So now you're calling all red vette owners power-hungry women because they drive red vettes? Wow Peter, I think it's actually you who's making an *** of himself.

Originally Posted by petermj

I guess you really do not get a point why latest autos have those paddle shifters, do you? Porsche tried to convince its followers about the advantages and it failed, the resale values seem to agree. Same with BMW and SMG... Emulating is not the same as the real thing. But then again, you can keep believing that you are becoming a superhuman by letting your car shift faster than you ever could. LMAO, you crack me up.

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

And why are you defending vettes with mannies? Oh that's right, it's your macho complex showing through. Along with your ignorance of what driving is. You really need to see someone about this problem you've got. If you don't watch it, next thing you know, you'll be picking a fist fight with some vette owner with an auto.

Originally Posted by petermj

can't help not to say what I said, it is a fact not fiction. Unlike that auto dream, LMAO... You may want to familiarize yourself with how women choose their car colors, it is not all that different from the color of their office attire. I am so sorry you are so busy laughing your *** off instead of learning a thing or two. And again, this is not an insult to male owners of red cars. You do realize chromosome combo that makes someone male or female, right? Giving you a benefit of doubt again. There are reasons why certain personality traits make men pick red cars (nothing to do with not being manly enough) but the fact remains that red is a very popular color choice with women and considerably more women buy red cars than men. This is not very hard to prove, thus laugh carefully

Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me

Peter, Peter, Peter, your defense of the manny is sooo awesome! I bow down to your infinite machoism! Here's an idea I bet you'll like. Maybe we should round up all the vettes with autos and burn them so they don't exist anymore. So there are only manny vettes on the road. Does that sound like a good idea to you Peter? I have a feeling you'd like that huh?

Originally Posted by petermj

Here is the thing, I like to tell my car how and when to shift and drive it instead of being offered the best possible solution that the car can offer me. You go through life as homo sapiens or limit yourself to home erectus. Apparently you already made your choice, or more like are very happy with the choice someone else made for you. LOL... Just keep cracking me up