Keep it up you always make me laugh when I see your post 
24k for a base c5 WTF?
Racer
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From: Bristow VA
FP is absolutely all over the place with his arguments.
He's making comparisons about owners and I'd bet he has never been a Corvette owner or a Cadillac owner. Who is he to talk to us about what we do.
He obviously has no clue what he is talking about. This thread is turning into a joke.
I think we all figured out what kind of person he is... the pissed off kind who watches car shows on TV and thinks he's a know it all.
Comparing the market of an 80 year old classic car with frame off restorations to contemporary cars is an absolute joke.
This person is off the wall, ill-informed, inexperienced, and just spewing second hand knowledge and marketing from sites who's whole purpose is to "sell" their reputation and credibility. He's buying in 100%, the kind of guy who is all statistics and no feelings. Numbers and white papers are what get this guy going, not real passion for an industry or motoring.
Not worth my time.
He's making comparisons about owners and I'd bet he has never been a Corvette owner or a Cadillac owner. Who is he to talk to us about what we do.
He obviously has no clue what he is talking about. This thread is turning into a joke.
I think we all figured out what kind of person he is... the pissed off kind who watches car shows on TV and thinks he's a know it all.
Comparing the market of an 80 year old classic car with frame off restorations to contemporary cars is an absolute joke.
This person is off the wall, ill-informed, inexperienced, and just spewing second hand knowledge and marketing from sites who's whole purpose is to "sell" their reputation and credibility. He's buying in 100%, the kind of guy who is all statistics and no feelings. Numbers and white papers are what get this guy going, not real passion for an industry or motoring.
Not worth my time.
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Someone asked "Why do Porsche owners sell their cars at 2X KBB values". I guess the guy did a quick search because he deleted his post, but it is worth answering.
Here is a 1999 Porsche 911 Cab, 79K miles, asking price 19K.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...444767630.html
Going by Kelly Blue Book trade in value for fair condition is $16,725 or $18,075 for good condition. With an asking price of 19K, that owner is probably prepared to accept 2K less, maybe 3k less. The asking price is not out of line.
This should give buyers cause to wonder why a Corvette owner thinks his mass produced Corvette should be listed for $10K over Kelly Blue Book price.
Here is a 1999 Porsche 911 Cab, 79K miles, asking price 19K.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...444767630.html
Going by Kelly Blue Book trade in value for fair condition is $16,725 or $18,075 for good condition. With an asking price of 19K, that owner is probably prepared to accept 2K less, maybe 3k less. The asking price is not out of line.
This should give buyers cause to wonder why a Corvette owner thinks his mass produced Corvette should be listed for $10K over Kelly Blue Book price.
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From: Canon City Co
St. Jude Donor '11,'13
"I voluntarily took 60 days off from OT"
The true value of a car often goes out the window at auctions, such as Barrett-Jackson, etc....Egos and big checkbooks battle it out until the price is often 2-3 times what the car is really worth....Id love to see what this friend's 63 SWC that Im working on would bring at such an auction...Any ideas??..(Yes, those are original knock-off wheels 
and it has 38K original miles....It also has the original distributor cover, which I pulled off before I took the pic) Before you answer you might wanna take a look at the second pic...For those of you who know your Corvettes you know what Im talking about.....How 'bout it FairPrice...What's a "fair price" for this car??....and why?? 
and it has 38K original miles....It also has the original distributor cover, which I pulled off before I took the pic) Before you answer you might wanna take a look at the second pic...For those of you who know your Corvettes you know what Im talking about.....How 'bout it FairPrice...What's a "fair price" for this car??....and why??
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From: tyler tx
The above is an example of a trick that sellers use. They can make up any numbers to support their asking price, even if those numbers are fabricated. There is no proof that those cars are selling at those asking prices.
Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds is proof of used car values, printed in black and white and made available to everyone.
Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds is proof of used car values, printed in black and white and made available to everyone.
Those #'s ARE NOT fabricated. I have spent the past 2 months looking at hundreds of vettes all across the web. The prices I've seen ARE in the ballpark of KBB and Edmond's, Ed's being a little lower on average. GO LOOK! Google 'used corvettes for sale' and LOOK for yourself!
And you are right about KBB and Ed's being proof of used car sales. They represent the AVERAGE price across the country. It is a guide to give the buyer an IDEA of what to expect. It is not LAW! "THIS IS THE PRICE YOU CHARGE!" What are you? A **** or something?
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Seller? I'm a first time B U Y E R! I typed that slow for you.
Those #'s ARE NOT fabricated. I have spent the past 2 months looking at hundreds of vettes all across the web. The prices I've seen ARE in the ballpark of KBB and Edmond's, Ed's being a little lower on average. GO LOOK! Google 'used corvettes for sale' and LOOK for yourself!
And you are right about KBB and Ed's being proof of used car sales. They represent the AVERAGE price across the country. It is a guide to give the buyer an IDEA of what to expect. It is not LAW! "THIS IS THE PRICE YOU CHARGE!" What are you? A **** or something?
Those #'s ARE NOT fabricated. I have spent the past 2 months looking at hundreds of vettes all across the web. The prices I've seen ARE in the ballpark of KBB and Edmond's, Ed's being a little lower on average. GO LOOK! Google 'used corvettes for sale' and LOOK for yourself!
And you are right about KBB and Ed's being proof of used car sales. They represent the AVERAGE price across the country. It is a guide to give the buyer an IDEA of what to expect. It is not LAW! "THIS IS THE PRICE YOU CHARGE!" What are you? A **** or something?
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Burning Brakes
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From: Arden NC
Someone asked "Why do Porsche owners sell their cars at 2X KBB values". I guess the guy did a quick search because he deleted his post, but it is worth answering.
Here is a 1999 Porsche 911 Cab, 79K miles, asking price 19K.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...444767630.html
Going by Kelly Blue Book trade in value for fair condition is $16,725 or $18,075 for good condition. With an asking price of 19K, that owner is probably prepared to accept 2K less, maybe 3k less. The asking price is not out of line.
This should give buyers cause to wonder why a Corvette owner thinks his mass produced Corvette should be listed for $10K over Kelly Blue Book price.
Here is a 1999 Porsche 911 Cab, 79K miles, asking price 19K.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...444767630.html
Going by Kelly Blue Book trade in value for fair condition is $16,725 or $18,075 for good condition. With an asking price of 19K, that owner is probably prepared to accept 2K less, maybe 3k less. The asking price is not out of line.
This should give buyers cause to wonder why a Corvette owner thinks his mass produced Corvette should be listed for $10K over Kelly Blue Book price.
I sell my cars way more than KBB or what Edmond "recommends". I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for what I feel that my car is worth. If the buyer feels that it's a rip off then they can keep looking else where.
Why do people bitch about the prices? You seem to forget that we own the car and we have the right to ask what we want. Again, If you don't like the prices then move on, no one if forcing you to buy it....
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From: Reno is so close to Hell you can see Sparks , State Of Confusion
St. Jude Donor '12-'13-'14
Seller? I'm a first time B U Y E R! I typed that slow for you.
Those #'s ARE NOT fabricated. I have spent the past 2 months looking at hundreds of vettes all across the web. The prices I've seen ARE in the ballpark of KBB and Edmond's, Ed's being a little lower on average. GO LOOK! Google 'used corvettes for sale' and LOOK for yourself!
And you are right about KBB and Ed's being proof of used car sales. They represent the AVERAGE price across the country. It is a guide to give the buyer an IDEA of what to expect. It is not LAW! "THIS IS THE PRICE YOU CHARGE!" What are you? A **** or something?
Those #'s ARE NOT fabricated. I have spent the past 2 months looking at hundreds of vettes all across the web. The prices I've seen ARE in the ballpark of KBB and Edmond's, Ed's being a little lower on average. GO LOOK! Google 'used corvettes for sale' and LOOK for yourself!
And you are right about KBB and Ed's being proof of used car sales. They represent the AVERAGE price across the country. It is a guide to give the buyer an IDEA of what to expect. It is not LAW! "THIS IS THE PRICE YOU CHARGE!" What are you? A **** or something?
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From: henderson nevada
The true value of a car often goes out the window at auctions, such as Barrett-Jackson, etc....Egos and big checkbooks battle it out until the price is often 2-3 times what the car is really worth....Id love to see what this friend's 63 SWC that Im working on would bring at such an auction...Any ideas??..(Yes, those are original knock-off wheels and it has 38K original miles....It also has the original distributor cover, which I pulled off before I took the pic) Before you answer you might wanna take a look at the second pic...For those of you who know your Corvettes you know what Im talking about.....How 'bout it FairPrice...What's a "fair price" for this car??....and why??
and it has 38K original miles....It also has the original distributor cover, which I pulled off before I took the pic) Before you answer you might wanna take a look at the second pic...For those of you who know your Corvettes you know what Im talking about.....How 'bout it FairPrice...What's a "fair price" for this car??....and why?? 
Racer
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From: Montoursville PA
Fairprice you really have no clue! My 2003 coupe with 4500 miles is worth 25k on KBB I bought it for 27500 am I stupid no I just know that it was the car I wante and its hard to find the right color right options and extremely low miles. I think you need to do some real hands on research and forget KBB. Its a guide at best. Your posts are just plain laughable!
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From: SE Pennsylvania
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I can't help but notice, it's always the people who don't own Corvettes who start these threads about someone asking too much for their car. Anyone can ask as much or as little as they like for their cars. If you don't think it's worth it, look somewhere else. There's nothing gained for Corvette owners when a non-owner tries to talk down prices.
=X2 I have a number of dealers right here where I live and one of them had a nice looking 2002 ZO-6 which they were asking $28.995 for. Well we're almost into winter and that ZO-6 is still sitting right were it was last summer. Dealers traditionally ask about 5K more than the car is curently selling for. but for that matter, dealers always try to squeeze as much money out of a sale as possible. 
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I sell my cars way more than KBB or what Edmond "recommends". I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for what I feel that my car is worth. If the buyer feels that it's a rip off then they can keep looking else where.
Why do people bitch about the prices? You seem to forget that we own the car and we have the right to ask what we want. Again, If you don't like the prices then move on, no one if forcing you to buy it....
But an educated buyer will know what it is worth, regardless of what sales pitch you try.
The point of these threads is to educate buyers so they stop agreeing to ridiculous asking prices. The price of C5 Corvettes should fall another 30-40% more over the next year from KBB prices. The economy is in bad shape. The market is flooded with people selling cars. Banks are hurting. It will remain a buyers market for years to come.
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=X2 I have a number of dealers right here where I live and one of them had a nice looking 2002 ZO-6 which they were asking $28.995 for. Well we're almost into winter and that ZO-6 is still sitting right were it was last summer. Dealers traditionally ask about 5K more than the car is curently selling for. but for that matter, dealers always try to squeeze as much money out of a sale as possible. This is hurting private party sales. Sellers no longer have the saftey net of knowing they can dump the car off at a used car lot. The few that are left are not buying in the numbers they did, not paying the amounts they did, and some are not buying at all.
Burning Brakes
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From: Arden NC
You can list your Corvette for whatever you want.
But an educated buyer will know what it is worth, regardless of what sales pitch you try.
The point of these threads is to educate buyers so they stop agreeing to ridiculous asking prices. The price of C5 Corvettes should fall another 30-40% more over the next year from KBB prices. The economy is in bad shape. The market is flooded with people selling cars. Banks are hurting. It will remain a buyers market for years to come.
But an educated buyer will know what it is worth, regardless of what sales pitch you try.
The point of these threads is to educate buyers so they stop agreeing to ridiculous asking prices. The price of C5 Corvettes should fall another 30-40% more over the next year from KBB prices. The economy is in bad shape. The market is flooded with people selling cars. Banks are hurting. It will remain a buyers market for years to come.
I don't have to sell my cars.... I usually sell them to make room for something that I want more than what I have. If, I don't get want for them then I'll keep them. Not a big deal, but that hasn't been a problem and I don't think it ever will be. I always have buyers for my cars. I don't have a sales pitch, the cars sell them selves.
I don't feel like giving my **** away because some 17 year old boy can't afford the big boy toy. I purchased my cars new and took a big enough hit on them. Most of my cars have less tha 10k on the clock and I get my asking price.
you don't have the expertise to educate anyone. You don't have a clue. Now move on little boy