Column lock bypass...really a fix?
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From: Troy IL
If the column locks, there is DEFINITELY no CLB installed. Dropping the knee pad is not bad. Read the first few pages of these CLB install instructions:
http://www.ls1howto.com/index.php?article=24
For the answers to your other questions scroll up to post #45 in this thread
http://www.ls1howto.com/index.php?article=24
For the answers to your other questions scroll up to post #45 in this thread
thanks so much for all your helpful input btw, i know it must get old posting the same thing over and over for us newbs lol.
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From: Troy IL
Fixed! YAY!!
OK, apparently, the way I did it the first time is fine when you don't already have the recall done. That is, when I wanted to unlock the column to install the CLB, I turned the car to the on position, waited for the column to unlock and then unplugged the column locker. I then turned off the car and proceeded with the install.
This will not work if the recall has been done to the car. Trying it that way caused it to believe something was wrong with the CL. So I had to pull the negative terminal on the battery to reset everything. Plugging the terminal back in reset the column lock. This allowed me to start from scratch.
The cigarette tool that came with the CLB last time blew both fuses on my 02Z. However, this time it was required. I used it to unlock the column and it actually worked this time.
After that, I installed the CLB and tested for errors. I did get the "pull key, wait 10 sec" message, but that went away after pulling the key. The column is unlocked and I'm not getting the error message anymore.
Install complete!
Now to take the car around the block. (Tradition.)
OK, apparently, the way I did it the first time is fine when you don't already have the recall done. That is, when I wanted to unlock the column to install the CLB, I turned the car to the on position, waited for the column to unlock and then unplugged the column locker. I then turned off the car and proceeded with the install.
This will not work if the recall has been done to the car. Trying it that way caused it to believe something was wrong with the CL. So I had to pull the negative terminal on the battery to reset everything. Plugging the terminal back in reset the column lock. This allowed me to start from scratch.
The cigarette tool that came with the CLB last time blew both fuses on my 02Z. However, this time it was required. I used it to unlock the column and it actually worked this time.
After that, I installed the CLB and tested for errors. I did get the "pull key, wait 10 sec" message, but that went away after pulling the key. The column is unlocked and I'm not getting the error message anymore.
Install complete!
Now to take the car around the block. (Tradition.)
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From: Los Angeles California
Actually, the instructions didn't say anything about how I did it in the first place. It was the only way I could get it to work the first time.
As for the relay, I figured out how to get it out and jumped 87 and 30 with a paper clip. Just took the car around the block and got it up to 30MPH. No 2mph cut off... Although I'm a little worried about it. My fingers REALLY hurt right now, but I think all in all it's done.
That was actually a big PITA compared to last time.
As for the relay, I figured out how to get it out and jumped 87 and 30 with a paper clip. Just took the car around the block and got it up to 30MPH. No 2mph cut off... Although I'm a little worried about it. My fingers REALLY hurt right now, but I think all in all it's done.
That was actually a big PITA compared to last time.
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From: Troy IL
Actually, the instructions didn't say anything about how I did it in the first place. It was the only way I could get it to work the first time.
As for the relay, I figured out how to get it out and jumped 87 and 30 with a paper clip. Just took the car around the block and got it up to 30MPH. No 2mph cut off... Although I'm a little worried about it. My fingers REALLY hurt right now, but I think all in all it's done.
That was actually a big PITA compared to last time.
As for the relay, I figured out how to get it out and jumped 87 and 30 with a paper clip. Just took the car around the block and got it up to 30MPH. No 2mph cut off... Although I'm a little worried about it. My fingers REALLY hurt right now, but I think all in all it's done.
That was actually a big PITA compared to last time.
also, these instructions make it seem like you wait to take the key out till you have it installed...
http://www.ls1howto.com/index.php?article=24
There may or may not be a K harness installed. The definite is that if the column locks with no key in the ignition you DO NOT have a CLB installed.
You have to physically look to see if there is a K harness installed. If no K harness and the car is a manual ( I thought you said it was a Z) then you need to look for the spliced purple wire in the passenger footwell to the left of the fuse box and above the BCM. See my post #61 above for details on that.
You have to physically look to see if there is a K harness installed. If no K harness and the car is a manual ( I thought you said it was a Z) then you need to look for the spliced purple wire in the passenger footwell to the left of the fuse box and above the BCM. See my post #61 above for details on that.
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From: Hillsboro Oregon
Mine didn't work once. At least I think so.
I'd driven the car about 15 minutes. Stopped for a quick errand got in, turned the key, Got the message I presume (Didn't see it). Tried to take off. Car stalled. Then I saw the message. I removed the key, re-inserted it. Tried to take off. Car stalled again. The CLB had been in the car about two years at this point. I took the key out again, wiped the pellet clean. Re-inserted key, no message. Car ran fine. That was about two years ago. Hasn't happened since.
I really don't know why it happened.
..rickko..
I'd driven the car about 15 minutes. Stopped for a quick errand got in, turned the key, Got the message I presume (Didn't see it). Tried to take off. Car stalled. Then I saw the message. I removed the key, re-inserted it. Tried to take off. Car stalled again. The CLB had been in the car about two years at this point. I took the key out again, wiped the pellet clean. Re-inserted key, no message. Car ran fine. That was about two years ago. Hasn't happened since.
I really don't know why it happened.
..rickko..
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From: Los Angeles California
Well it didn't look like I had the K harness. Nothing looked different under the knee panel from my 02Z which didn't have the recalls done to it. The relay seemed to be the only thing done to it.
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From: Hillsboro Oregon
Is your car a manual or auto trans car? If it's a manual have you checked in the passenger footwell to the left of the fuse box and above the BCM for the spliced purple wire and relay with the purple wire going into the wiring base. See my post #61 above for info on that.
If it is an auto did you make certain that you removed the K Harness if it was installed? The CLB does not function correctly if you plug it into the K Harness. The CLB needs to be directly connected to the female connector that goes to the BCM. Since the CLB instructions are not as clear as they should be, some owners fail to disconnect the K Harness and later experience problems.
If it is an auto did you make certain that you removed the K Harness if it was installed? The CLB does not function correctly if you plug it into the K Harness. The CLB needs to be directly connected to the female connector that goes to the BCM. Since the CLB instructions are not as clear as they should be, some owners fail to disconnect the K Harness and later experience problems.
I don't think it had a K harness installed..........but how would I know if it did? Does the K have a specific color ?
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From: Troy IL
I've never seen BOTH the K Harness and the spliced purple wire installed on the same car. But to say that it is always one or the other may not be correct either. First, the spliced purple wire and the relay with the purple wire in the passenger footwell was ONLY done to manual trans car. And even that was NOT done to all manual trans cars. You need to recognise that GM has at least 4 variations of the recall service (04006, 04006A, 04006B and 04006C) and a couple of variations BEFORE NHTSA forced the recall. Within those there are different things that are done to manual trans cars vs auto's. Add to that the fact that some cars were serviced more than once by the dealer and add to that the fact that some car owners have done their own thing to get around the column lock FUBAR since NONE of the GM solutions are a permanent fix. What a new car owner will find in place is a total unknown as a result. That is why I tell people to drop the drivers knee panel and visually LOOK at what is there and then go over to the passenger footwell and look there also.
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St. Jude Donor '17
I had a recall done, not sure what kind but I did install the CLB and the Steering wheel no longer locks when I shut off car. ( I have a 6 speed ) I never had a problem before but figured I was tempting fate here. Now Chuck is not really that far from me, maybe 60 miles.....should I come have the fuel shutoff done? And can you pm me with a price? Thanks
