Rotor installation problem
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Rotor installation problem
Hi,
I have been having my new slotted black rotors and pads on the floor for 2 months now.
I decided today to install them on my 2001......I did some reading and seemed straight forward.
Raised the rear, took the wheel off, loosened the caliper of the rotor, then yanked the old rotor out. Now I have been trying to put the new rotor in but with no luck, there is a ring like thing that I believe need to go inside the back gut of the rotor. It seems it was under compression and when i yanked the old rotor it expanded and now cant get the new rotor on.
Did I break something, any help will be greatly appreciated. Hope my explanation is not confusing.
I took pictures. The wire that looks like the V came out from inside the ring. I dont know how this should go back in and how to compress the ring to put in the rotor.
Thanks
I have been having my new slotted black rotors and pads on the floor for 2 months now.
I decided today to install them on my 2001......I did some reading and seemed straight forward.
Raised the rear, took the wheel off, loosened the caliper of the rotor, then yanked the old rotor out. Now I have been trying to put the new rotor in but with no luck, there is a ring like thing that I believe need to go inside the back gut of the rotor. It seems it was under compression and when i yanked the old rotor it expanded and now cant get the new rotor on.
Did I break something, any help will be greatly appreciated. Hope my explanation is not confusing.
I took pictures. The wire that looks like the V came out from inside the ring. I dont know how this should go back in and how to compress the ring to put in the rotor.
Thanks
Last edited by ramez75; Sep 9, 2011 at 07:27 PM. Reason: adding pictures
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I think that has to do with the parking brake. Can't remember how it goes back in but it was a little tricky. Someone will chime in soon. I also remember pictures posted showing an easier way to do it. Maybe a search will help.
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Ok so since I am still trying to figure out the V shape wire and the metal loop. I was loosening the Caliper from the Caliper bracket. One of the screws broke. So is there a place/website were i can buy the bolt that holds the caliper to the bracket and I will also need the hollow rod that goes into the bracket and the bolt goes into it. Or will I need to buy a the whole caliper set.
This is not what I expected..........I should have gone and watched a movie
Thanks
This is not what I expected..........I should have gone and watched a movie
Thanks
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The parts you show are the parking brake shoe and retention spring. Unfortunately you have pulled them off and they are a PITA to get them back on. Start the reinstall by moving the star wheel to it's fully retracted position. Center the shoe on the backing plate and insert the spring with the top of the V pointing up and the bent notches pointing badk to the backing plate. The spring goes inside the brake shoe. You will see three retianer clips on the rear of the backing plate. These clips hold the spring in place and center the shoe. Start by hooking it at the top and then on either side. The bottom of the spring must be inside of the shoe metal ring. It would help getting a brake spring install tool at the local auto parts store or you could modify a screw driver to help position the spring. Once you have it properly together, trial fit the rotor. Move the star wheel adjustor out till the shoe is just touching the inside of the rotor drum. It will take you several tires. ---- the bolt and slider pin are available at almost all auto perts stores. Bolt and pin are < $10.00 just take it in and tell them what car, usually in stock.
Last edited by CHJ In Virginia; Sep 9, 2011 at 09:31 PM.
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The parts you show are the parking brake shoe and retention spring. Unfortunately you have pulled them off and they are a PITA to get them back on. Start the reinstall by moving the star wheel to it's fully retracted position. Center the shoe on the backing plate and insert the spring with the top of the V pointing up and the bent notches pointing badk to the backing plate. The spring goes inside the brake shoe. You will see three retianer clips on the rear of the backing plate. These clips hold the spring in place and center the shoe. Start by hooking it at the top and then on either side. The bottom of the spring must be inside of the shoe metal ring. It would help getting a brake spring install tool at the local auto parts store or you could modify a screw driver to help position the spring. Once you have it properly together, trial fit the rotor. Move the star wheel adjustor out till the shoe is just touching the inside of the rotor drum. It will take you several tires. ---- the bolt and slider pin are available at almost all auto perts stores. Bolt and pin are < $10.00 just take it in and tell them what car, usually in stock.
Also small chips came of the parking brake show when I was prying the old rotor out.
What is the Star Wheel adjuster??? Let me see if I can find a picture or drawing
Is that still safe???
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I found this helpful...........now i have an idea how the thing should look like. Now i will have to make mine look like that.....
Ofcourse i found out that i had my parking brake on.........stupid me...I guess that a kesson learned when i do the other 3 rotors.
Ofcourse i found out that i had my parking brake on.........stupid me...I guess that a kesson learned when i do the other 3 rotors.
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No just the other side. One not three.
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Is there a proper sequence for putting back everything, should I connect the caliper to the bracket while free then attach the bracket&caliper, or attach the bracket first then pads then caliper.
brake caliper mounting bracket bolts to 125 lb ft
brake caliper guide pin bolts to 23 lb ft
brake caliper mounting bracket bolts to 125 lb ft
brake caliper guide pin bolts to 23 lb ft
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As I started reading the thread, I was asking myself how this happened. Then I saw your comment above. Your lesson was not in vain...by sharing this, you prevented me and potentially others from forgetting to release the e-brake. I hope the repair goes well.
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I always clean old loctite off bracket bolt threads (class 10.9 hardness bolts) and use Blue loctite 
works every time, no Loctite on calipers slide bolts (I dont think), maybe a drop of blue
Never red, it is supposed to require heat to remove bolts, and you don't want that on calipers.
works every time, no Loctite on calipers slide bolts (I dont think), maybe a drop of blueNever red, it is supposed to require heat to remove bolts, and you don't want that on calipers.
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Is there a proper sequence for putting back everything, should I connect the caliper to the bracket while free then attach the bracket&caliper, or attach the bracket first then pads then caliper.
brake caliper mounting bracket bolts to 125 lb ft
brake caliper guide pin bolts to 23 lb ft
brake caliper mounting bracket bolts to 125 lb ft
brake caliper guide pin bolts to 23 lb ft
bracket, then pads, then caliper, put a dab of caliper lube where the pads sit in clips
Make sure the rubbers on the caliper pins are good (with caliper lube inside boot) or water will get in there and caliper will stop sliding which will kill one pad, overheat caliper and then caliper piston rubber will rot out and sieze causing locked up caliper. Ask me how I know
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From: Should this thoughtful, valuable contribution meet with no acknowledgement or 'thanks' this post----
if you have an automatic and you are free of a steep driveway and hilly terrain you can do what I did. I freakin' removed all the parking brake garbage from both sides...it's a contraption required by law, but not necessarily by reality, and it gets the lowest cost design on most cars. When I take the car to the dealer I just warn them with a sticker on the gearshift, "no P Brake".
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if you have an automatic and you are free of a steep driveway and hilly terrain you can do what I did. I freakin' removed all the parking brake garbage from both sides...it's a contraption required by law, but not necessarily by reality, and it gets the lowest cost design on most cars. When I take the car to the dealer I just warn them with a sticker on the gearshift, "no P Brake".
I like your idea
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The parts you show are the parking brake shoe and retention spring. Unfortunately you have pulled them off and they are a PITA to get them back on. Start the reinstall by moving the star wheel to it's fully retracted position. Center the shoe on the backing plate and insert the spring with the top of the V pointing up and the bent notches pointing badk to the backing plate. The spring goes inside the brake shoe. You will see three retianer clips on the rear of the backing plate. These clips hold the spring in place and center the shoe. Start by hooking it at the top and then on either side. The bottom of the spring must be inside of the shoe metal ring. It would help getting a brake spring install tool at the local auto parts store or you could modify a screw driver to help position the spring. Once you have it properly together, trial fit the rotor. Move the star wheel adjustor out till the shoe is just touching the inside of the rotor drum. It will take you several tires. ---- the bolt and slider pin are available at almost all auto perts stores. Bolt and pin are < $10.00 just take it in and tell them what car, usually in stock.
RonJ ...
