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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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My '02 Z has the automatic climate control. I tried to use it on manual yesterday(just got it) and the blower did not seem to come on no matter what I did. I read the instructions and that didn't clear up anything. I know it was working when I tested it, and the previous owner(fellow club member) is as honorable as they come.
Any quirks or procedures I'm not getting?
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 11:30 AM
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hmmm....pull your codes paying attention to the hvac codes.
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 11:51 AM
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So - let me clarify what you did. You pushed the manual button and then you increased the fan manually but nothing happened?

Did you try keeping it on Auto and then increase the fan - which will 'automatically' switch it from auto to manual? You might try this next.

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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 12:08 PM
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No idea how to pull codes.
Road Runner: yes to #1 and 2, I tried both methods, but did not feel anything from the vents.
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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Are you saying the fan blows on automatic, but not manual? Or no fan in any mode?
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 01:29 PM
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The fan blows based on 'demand'. In effect - in auto mode the fan will turn on and off based on the temperature setting and cabin conditions. In the auto mode - if you adjust the fan speed up or down then it switches for auto to manual and stays in the manual mode.

So the fan speed is either determined automatically in the auto mode or controled in the manual mode.

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The short version for pulling the codes is: Push and hold the Options Button then push the Fuel button four or five times in like five seconds. The DIC display will change to the diagnostics. Using the Options button, you can manually scroll through them and Trip button to come back down the list. The Guages button will allow you to select an individual code when there's more than one in each category. Use the Reset button to clear a code. E/M to exit back to the normal DIC display.

Now when when the diagnositcs come up, it will go through all of them automatically. Be preparped to write down the codes and pay attention to the "H" or "C"s with each code (History/Current).
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 03:06 PM
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Are you saying the fan blows on automatic, but not manual? Or no fan in any mode?
I think I'm expecting it to blow on demand, instantly like my Xterra does. I've never been a fan of auto systems, but I just want to be sure it works.

So, seemed like no fan in any mode.
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dgrant3830
The short version for pulling the codes is: Push and hold the Options Button then push the Fuel button four or five times in like five seconds. The DIC display will change to the diagnostics. Using the Options button, you can manually scroll through them and Trip button to come back down the list. The Guages button will allow you to select an individual code when there's more than one in each category. Use the Reset button to clear a code. E/M to exit back to the normal DIC display.

Now when when the diagnositcs come up, it will go through all of them automatically. Be preparped to write down the codes and pay attention to the "H" or "C"s with each code (History/Current).
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
POST DTCS!!!

READING YOUR Engine Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)

This procedure should be carried out any time you experience a problem with your C5. Most inexpensive store bought aftermarket code readers will ONLY read power train DTC’s. Reading the DTC’s with the C5 built in code reader will allow you to read ALL the modules in the vehicle.

The Diagnostic Display Mode is entered with the following procedure:
1) Turn on the ignition but don't start the engine.
2) Press the RESET button to turn off any warning messages. (i.e. door open, trunk open ect)
3) Press and hold the OPTIONS button
4) While holding OPTIONS, press FUEL button four times within a 10 -second period.

Initially, the on-board diagnostics go into an Automatic Mode which will cycle through each module and shows diagnostic codes in a pre-set sequence: PCM - TCS - RTD - BCM - IPC - RADIO - HVAC - LDCM - RDCM - SCM - RFA. All codes will be displayed for each module. ( i.e. PCM = 4 codes) If none are present in a given module, you will see No More Codes on the display.

There are two types of diagnostic codes, Current and History designated with a letter suffix, “C” or “H”. A current code indicates a malfunction is present in the module displaying data. A history code indicates a problem existed sometime in the last 40 or 50 ignition cycles. When not accompanied by a current code of the same number, it's potential evidence of a previous problem, now resolved, that was not removed by clearing the codes. More likely it's an indication of an intermittent malfunction.

Intermittent codes are the most challenging of the diagnostics. An intermittent code may have happened once, may have happened more than once but is inconsistent or may be happening on a regular basis but not at the time the codes are displayed. History codes can also be caused by a current malfunction in a system that is not operating at the time codes are displayed. An example is the rear window defogger which doesn't operate until the Body Control Module detects engine rpm. For history codes set by a module that does not operate with the key on and engine off, a special diagnostic tool called a Scan Tester is necessary to properly diagnose the malfunction.

Once the system has displayed all modules, it goes into the manual mode which allows selection of each module using combinations of Driver Information Center buttons. Manual mode can also be entered during the automatic sequence by pressing any button except E/M. Once the display shows Manual Diagnostics, select a module by pressing the OPTIONS button to go forward or the TRIP button to go back. Once a module is selected, a code is displayed, and if more than one are present; press GAGES to go forward or FUEL to go back.
To exit the diagnostic mode at any time, press E/M. If you want to erase codes in a given module, press RESET To reset the codes once in manual mode, press and hold RESET until it displays NO CODES Press OPTIONS to go to the next module. Repeat the steps until you have reset the codes in all the computer modules.
NOTE!! Only reset the codes IF you want to - it is NOT necessary to do this. Clearing a code does not repair a problem. You are simply erasing the evidence of it in the module's memory. If you clear the code/s, and extinguish the Check Engine Light, your emissions status ready will NOT allow you to pass an emissions test until you have completed the required driving cycles. There are a few body module DTC’s that if set will prevent the module from operating properly. Once the DTC is cleared, the module will return to full function. This is not true for power train DTCs.

If you have never read and cleared your codes, there will probably be a lot of old history DTCs. It is recommended that you clear your codes and see if any come back during a driving cycle. Those are the ones that you need to concentrate on diagnosing.

Once you have the codes, the next question is: What to do with the information?
First, consult the factory service manual. Any serious C5 Do-It-Yourself owner should invest in the Corvette Service Manual of the appropriate model year. The Service Manual is really a requirement if you want to understand and work on your C5.

NOTE and a WARNING. You can read the DTCs while the engine is running. I pull mine up all the time while driving.
WARNING. Don’t become distracted while reading DTCs while your driving and cause an accident!!!!! Use common sense and drive safe.

These are some very good C5 Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) explanation web sites!!! They also explain how to read the DTCs

Here are some very good sites that explain what DTC mean:

http://www.gearchatter.com/viewtopic11755.php

http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_cod...d-ii-codes.php

Make sure to include the H or C suffix when you post your DTCs!!
Also, just to be clear, your vents are not blowing ANY air no matter what you do right? I just had this problem last week and ended up replacing my blower motor to fix it... Let's see what codes you have. If none are present pull your blower motor (because it's really easy) and wire 12 volts to it and see if it runs...
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i run my 04 on manual all the time (like you i don't particularly like "auto"). all i need to do is turn it on, (it usually will default to the outside air position) and then adjust the fan. are you sure you have it set to blow through the upper vents?? (the easiest way to feel the fan blowing). you need to select the blower "position" also (ie: floor, split floor/upper, upper, front defrost, etc). i know that's basic, but i figured it couldn't hurt to mention it particularly since you said it all worked when you checked it out.

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i run my 04 on manual all the time (like you i don't particularly like "auto"). all i need to do is turn it on, (it usually will default to the outside air position) and then adjust the fan. are you sure you have it set to blow through the upper vents?? (the easiest way to feel the fan blowing). you need to select the blower "position" also (ie: floor, split floor/upper, upper, front defrost, etc). i know that's basic, but i figured it couldn't hurt to mention it particularly since you said it all worked when you checked it out.
All of the displays work, and the compressor works when it's in auto mode and the temp is set low OR when in manual and I push the a/c button. HOWEVER, no air comes thru unless I'm moving, and NO air comes thru if the button for recirculate is on instead of outside air. I JUST found the blower fuse and it looked good, so I tested it with my ohmmeter and it has continuity. and now it's raining
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Also, just to be clear, your vents are not blowing ANY air no matter what you do right? I just had this problem last week and ended up replacing my blower motor to fix it... Let's see what codes you have. If none are present pull your blower motor (because it's really easy) and wire 12 volts to it and see if it runs...
CDK, I'm trying to find blower removal instructions/pix. Any help there?
Thanks!!
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Lay your head on the passenger floorboard and look up. There's three screws holding it in. Remove the screws and it'll come right down to you. Other than laying on the floor, its an easy job.
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Could be mice nesting in the blower cage. Remove as described above.
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Could be mice nesting in the blower cage. Remove as described above.
Thank you all! I can't believe how relieved I am especially since I've owned the car for all of 4 days(including today).
It was some bits of 'fluff' obstructing the fan, but not enough to consider a nest.
I got to 2 of the screws easily enough but the 3rd was obstructed by the passenger duct. Using my trusty mirrors and 3 flashlights, I managed to loosen it but the angle caused the torx screw to strip. Since it's a rubber mount, the fan dropped down about an inch opposite that screw. I moved it around easily, and turned on the power and it ran for a second, I heard the 'electric motor strain' noise, moved the fan again and it took off, throwing some pieces of orange **** carpet (must have been a 70's mouse). Tested it a few more times, and buttoned it up. Biggest PITA? Those clips that hold the trim panel, as usual.
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