[Z06] Cammed daily drivers
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Burning Brakes
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From: Odessa TX
Cammed daily drivers
It's that time of the month again for this thread.
I'm considering camming my Z after realizing how fast the modern day sport car has become. Need to stay competitive
Was looking at maggie's but the price to go F/I far outweighs my urge to have "bragging rights". It's a DD after all.
So from what I've searched, most guys who maintain good driveability go with something in the high 220/low 230 duration range with a 113-114 LSA? Don't want to mess with flycutting or having to change valve springs too often.
Would like to hear some opinions + track times and/or dyno numbers.
I'm considering camming my Z after realizing how fast the modern day sport car has become. Need to stay competitive
Was looking at maggie's but the price to go F/I far outweighs my urge to have "bragging rights". It's a DD after all. So from what I've searched, most guys who maintain good driveability go with something in the high 220/low 230 duration range with a 113-114 LSA? Don't want to mess with flycutting or having to change valve springs too often.
Would like to hear some opinions + track times and/or dyno numbers.
Melting Slicks
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From: South Florida FL
for the effort I wouldn't go lower that 230/230, i'm at 239/242. i've gotten use to the surge down low, but what killed my drivibility is a clutch, choose wisely when you get to that point
Pro
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From: Elmhurst Illinois
When I had my trans am i had a 230/232 and I DDed it in the warm months. I had a monster stage III clutch and it was no big deal at all. The trans am did have 4.10 gears which helps with drivability but the Z06 has more friendly gearing even with stock 3.42s so it shouldn't be a big deal.
My Z06 has a little bit more than that 23x/23x (low/high) on a 113and it wouldn't be a problem to DD. This car has a centerforce dual friction clutch that is MUCH stiffer though. I miss the light effort of the monster haha. Choose wisely when picking a clutch.
Neither one really surges - maybe occasionally in a parking lot but not very much at all. As long as you get a very good quality tune you should be all good with a cam that size!
My Z06 has a little bit more than that 23x/23x (low/high) on a 113and it wouldn't be a problem to DD. This car has a centerforce dual friction clutch that is MUCH stiffer though. I miss the light effort of the monster haha. Choose wisely when picking a clutch.
Neither one really surges - maybe occasionally in a parking lot but not very much at all. As long as you get a very good quality tune you should be all good with a cam that size!
Last edited by ThumperNC24; Feb 6, 2012 at 06:45 AM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Sicamous BC
Overlap is a very good indicator of manners. In my 346 I had a 228/228 .346/.346 113+1, almost OEM manners. With the correct supporting heads & bolt on you can make 500 RW.
My current 416 started with a 243/247 .623/.623 114+2, that is the worst POS from a drive ability perspective I've ever owned. With some very well qualified help a 235/243 .647/.654 114+5 cam was chosen. No expense to top end power, nice increase in the under curve & much more tuner friendly.
If you calculate the overlap of these three cams it is easy to see pattern.
My current 416 started with a 243/247 .623/.623 114+2, that is the worst POS from a drive ability perspective I've ever owned. With some very well qualified help a 235/243 .647/.654 114+5 cam was chosen. No expense to top end power, nice increase in the under curve & much more tuner friendly.
If you calculate the overlap of these three cams it is easy to see pattern.
Last edited by CTD; Feb 7, 2012 at 03:03 AM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Columbia TN
I daily drive on sunny days. So, here in TN that is quite a few days. I just had a cam install along with 3.90 gears. The cam I have is 224/232 .60x lift on a 114+4 LSA. I love it!!!
It's a pleasure to drive and I love the sound of it at WOT.
Make sure you've got a little extra money lying around when you do the swap, because there are going to be unknowns.
I don't have dyno number because of said unknowns. Mine ended up being stuck valves that required the heads being pulled. I can attest that the butt-dyno has certainly noticed the difference.
Good luck! Choose the cam and installer just as wisely as you do your clutch. Not all are created equal.
It's a pleasure to drive and I love the sound of it at WOT.
Make sure you've got a little extra money lying around when you do the swap, because there are going to be unknowns.
I don't have dyno number because of said unknowns. Mine ended up being stuck valves that required the heads being pulled. I can attest that the butt-dyno has certainly noticed the difference.
Good luck! Choose the cam and installer just as wisely as you do your clutch. Not all are created equal.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Odessa TX
I don't want too much surging down low. Austin traffic is horrific, bumper to bumper every day.
I'm looking at TSP 228r or a Crane 228/232. Both seem to have great reviews as a mix between driveability and power.
Bigger ones like the torquer v3 seems to get mixed reviews by owners. Some say it's great, some dislike it for daily use. A lot of reviews is from F-body drivers though... being that our Z's weigh a good 400 lb less than an average f-body, I'm wondering if their driveability concerns are less severe for us.
I guess I'm looking for just the right balance between performance increase and driveablity.
I'm looking at TSP 228r or a Crane 228/232. Both seem to have great reviews as a mix between driveability and power.
Bigger ones like the torquer v3 seems to get mixed reviews by owners. Some say it's great, some dislike it for daily use. A lot of reviews is from F-body drivers though... being that our Z's weigh a good 400 lb less than an average f-body, I'm wondering if their driveability concerns are less severe for us.
I guess I'm looking for just the right balance between performance increase and driveablity.
Melting Slicks
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From: Woodinville WA
Keep in mind that the larger you go with a cam the worse part throttle low RPM driving will be (where most of your daily driving is) a big cam can actually be slower if your not in the 5000-6500rpm range. I think you're on the right track with the 228-230 duration range for your intended use.
Pro
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From: Elmhurst Illinois
Keep in mind that the larger you go with a cam the worse part throttle low RPM driving will be (where most of your daily driving is) a big cam can actually be slower if your not in the 5000-6500rpm range. I think you're on the right track with the 228-230 duration range for your intended use.
Low 230s should put you right where you want to be!
Last edited by ThumperNC24; Feb 7, 2012 at 09:41 AM.
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I've got an CC224/228 w/ 112lsa. Lift isn't that high on it but the driveability of it is near stock. Lost a little torque on the low end but not enough to whine about. I can probably get it back once tuned. But up top it really screams. Not sure why so many people get these big cams w/ all that duration on a 346ci engine. But I understand people have their preferences so don't mistake me for judging. I'm just bolt ons here and hope to squeeze 410-415rwhp w/ a tune. Next yr I'll do some heads but as the car sits w/ out a real tune it's a blast to drive.
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From: Milford DE
I have the Texas-speed tsunami cam its a 235/240 .648/.609 on a 111 LSA and I dont daily drive the car but East-Coast corvettes did an amazing job tuning the car it really doesnt surge to bad. It still "bucks" when you in that in-between gear where a normal Z is in the higher gear you have to drop down but overall I love the big cam and it never stop pulling all the way through the power band. Only thing I wish is that I went with a little more aggressive tune since I dont daily drive it but its fun good luck with your choice call texas-speed there great there they helped with with everything I needed
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Burning Brakes
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How quickly would I ruin an LS6 clutch if I were to drop in a mild cam? It's relatively new, only 10-15k miles or so.
Thinking something along the lines of a TSP 228r, Torquer v2, or a 228/232 from either Crane, PatG, EPS, or something of the likes. Need to do a bit more youtubing and searching before I make a decision, although I'm leaning towards the Tq v2.
Thinking something along the lines of a TSP 228r, Torquer v2, or a 228/232 from either Crane, PatG, EPS, or something of the likes. Need to do a bit more youtubing and searching before I make a decision, although I'm leaning towards the Tq v2.
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228r
I had the TSP 228R in my GTO. 114LSA...I was satisfied with the cam I think the car could have been tuned better. The car had a noticeable lope to it. The car as far as drivability was fine it surged a little stopping, but not that much. It was a great for midrange power too, The GTO liked it, and so did I. If I had to do it over again I would go bigger. When I get my Z06 if I decide to get a cam I will get something in the 230+ range.
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From: Coeur D'Alene, ID
I have a custom grind cam by Synergy with 234/240 .50 Int: .583 Exh: .578 114 LSA.
Does anyone know what I should expect out of this cam when I have it installed?
Any idea about the DD capabilities? Anyone have a similar cam? What kind of power does a cam similar offer?
Does anyone know what I should expect out of this cam when I have it installed?
Any idea about the DD capabilities? Anyone have a similar cam? What kind of power does a cam similar offer?
Drifting
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From: Champaign IL
FLP Custom Cam 230/236 .592 / .602 - 114 LSA,
No drive-ability problems what's so ever.!! No surging even when driving slow in 1st or 2nd. Just needs a little more gas to get going from a stop.
Make sure your speakers are on! 422RWHP & 402RWTQ!
No drive-ability problems what's so ever.!! No surging even when driving slow in 1st or 2nd. Just needs a little more gas to get going from a stop.
Make sure your speakers are on! 422RWHP & 402RWTQ!
Last edited by slvrzo6; Feb 11, 2012 at 01:01 PM.
Drifting
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From: Gibsonton FL.
232/236, 595/601, 113lsa. 55 mph in 6th gear no problem. sounds great!drive it daily with no problems at all. Longtubes, cats, factory intake manifold, stock heads, factory ti's. 420 rwhp. Runs great