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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wlean99
Evil twin,true facts here,but you can just loosen bumpers etc and allow a gap between certain parts carefull masking then reinstall.This may not provide show quality job but can yield highly acceptable results,and cut down costs,however 5k seems about right considering price of paint/ sealers/ primers/ etc.Heck I was getting 2500 to 3k for a 2 stage paint job w/mild body straightening back in the early 90s. Gotta go w/ quality materials and shop w/ good rep and written warranty. Good sound advice on your reply (retired bogyman/painter) you gits whut you pays for!14 hrs for prep work…hahahaha,i dont think so LOL!
This is the answer was was looking for. Someone that knows what their talking about that says its fair (or not) it sounds like if I get a good warentee, the price is right. Thankyou.

You other guys need to get off your high horse. It's not about being cheap. It's about not being gouged. For example, lots of shops charge $500 to $1000 to change the gear ratio on a four wheel drive. That's for one diff not including parts. Most people pay that because they heard that gears are so hard to get the lash/pattern correct. I've done lots of gear changes and I'm going to tell you guys a secret. $500 is good money for that job. $1000 is gouging.

As far as this car goes, it's a nice driver I bought for my wife 8 years ago with perfect paint for 10 grand. I'm not going to spend that much to spruce it up. It has nothing to do with what I can afford. (I own a helicopter) if you know anything about aviation, you know Vettes are cheap in comparison.

I like the car, but it's not my passion. I have to laugh when you guys talk about the fascia gap. What is it you think is going to happen? Start some rust there? Paint crack where there's already a crack? The best was the guy that polishes his car for hours. I'll let you in on a secret. This car hasn't seen a coat of wax in 8 years. I don't mean to belittle you guys that love your cars. Just realize that everyone doesn't share your passion.
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I'm guessing you are about 18 years old, and spend a lot of time in the bathroom.
You come here to ask our educated opinion and then you disrespect those of us who actually know something about life, children like yourself, and how they posture.. " I Own a helicopter "
We come here to help people who genuinely want our help. Not children who don't have a clue about asking for help then respecting those of us who give our time here to help.
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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
I'm guessing you are about 18 years old, and spend a lot of time in the bathroom.
You come here to ask our educated opinion and then you disrespect those of us who actually know something about life, children like yourself, and how they posture.. " I Own a helicopter "
We come here to help people who genuinely want our help. Not children who don't have a clue about asking for help then respecting those of us who give our time here to help.
Having a bad day evil? God I wish I was 18. Sorry to say, you can triple that. Exactly how did I disrespect you?
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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 07:58 PM
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I'm not trying to go cheap or show car. Just wanted opinion on price. I don't have much choice around here. Seems like a Vette is an eazy car to paint because plastic doesn't really dent and its not very big. I'm no expert and I'm not sure how much work that back bumper cover is. (It's only flaked on the top) but 90 percent of the car is still shinny black paint. Wouldn't most of the car be sanded to remove the gloss and be ready for paint?

Just thinking out loud.
Fixing 6" scratch on rear fender. 2 hours. (Way over estimate IMHO)
Fixing top of bumper. 2 hours. (Wouldn't take 20 minutes to sand down to plastic) not sure what else needs to be done there.
Sand gloss off car. 2 hours.
Mask. 2 hours.
6 hours to paint.

Lets say $800 for paint.
14 hours at 60/hour=$840
So $1700 would be cost.
$1800 profit? Am I way off?
Looks like you already know what the price is, why even bother posting this question if you have the answer?

Can you get it painted for that price? Maybe, maybe not, you will get a $1,700 dollar paint job and it will most certainly look the part as well. Sense you don't seem to care about the quality of the paint job or what it looks like on your Corvette that is exactly the way you should go.

Most of the folks posting on here have more pride of ownership than you do, and they do have a passion for these cars. That's not a bad thing.

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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
I'm guessing you are about 18 years old, and spend a lot of time in the bathroom.


That was funny. Just shot beer out my nose all over the screen and keyboard.
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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hombre
Looks like you already know what the price is, why even bother posting this question if you have the answer?

Can you get it painted for that price? Maybe, maybe not, you will get a $1,700 dollar paint job and it will most certainly look the part as well. Sense you don't seem to care about the quality of the paint job or what it looks like on your Corvette that is exactly the way you should go.

Most of the folks posting on here have more pride of ownership than you do, and they do have a passion for these cars. That's not a bad thing.

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There are three question marks in that post of mine you quoted. First, I asked if you just sand the gloss off undamaged areas of the car and they are ready for paint. I have worked on the machanics of my cars and trucks (and helos) my whole life. But I have never been a paint guy. Could be that you must sand the old paint completly off, acid wash it, seal it, prime it, sand it again, paint it base and clear. I dont know. Nobody on this site answered the question.

Second question mark at the $1800 profit. I was not sugesting that there should be no profit on top of the cost. Just the amount. Of course no one answered that either.

The third question was Am I way off? Wlean answered that in a round about way when he laughed at 14 hours prep time. I am assuming that I am under estimating the time. He didnt mention the paint cost, so maybe I'm close there. So if the prep time is double that, the profit would be around a grand on a $2500 job. That sounds alot more reasonable.

I dont understand the hostility. As I said, Im a machanical kind of guy. I answer all kinds of questions on four wheel drive forums. I never give anybody grief about money. Although I am fairly well off now, I use to be young and poor. I dont like the saying you get what you pay for. In many cases, its not true. (think Royal Purple) I also dont think pride of ownership is a bad thing. I just have more pride in things I built than things I bought.
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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 10:00 PM
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My guess would be around 5K for a nice paint job you'd be happy with. I'm only going by what I paid to have my truck painted. A friend just paid $2500 to have his two tone El Camino painted the same colors and it shows the difference. If you fly Helicoptors I would be willing to bet you pay a lot of attention to detail, and a $3500 paint job would bother you. You only paid 10k for the car, now it's worth less, but I bet you could recoup a 5k paint job when you sell it. Just my .02 cents.
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Now that I've recovered from the laughter brought on by ET's remark, I'd like to jump in here on the $1800 profit comment.
I'll state upfront that I have NO idea of what a paint job costs these days, as it's been decades since I had a car repainted that wasn't done in connection with collision work. But, even if the $1800 figure is accurate, there are expenses that any business has that quickly eat into that "profit." Considering that most body shops are small independent business, they have overhead in the form of rent, equipment, upkeep and maintenance, salaries, taxes utilities, and insurance, just to name a few. So, a job that may seem to make a business $1800 may not actually net the owner anywhere near that amount of money in the end.
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
I'm guessing you are about 18 years old, and spend a lot of time in the bathroom.
You come here to ask our educated opinion and then you disrespect those of us who actually know something about life, children like yourself, and how they posture.. " I Own a helicopter "
We come here to help people who genuinely want our help. Not children who don't have a clue about asking for help then respecting those of us who give our time here to help.

Wait a minute there Bill..... maybe you took the wrong approach with this disrespectful ****...maybe you should have suggested that he get a couple of gallons of paint and a roller and brush... then he could save $1600 of the $1800 he thinks a $5,000 - $10,000 professional paint job on a Corvette costs ....now I'm thinking he painted his helicopter with a roller and brush
On a lighter note...I did manage to get a shot of his helicopter...hey, look at me, I own a helicopter...

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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 07:28 AM
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Yello95

Wait a minute there Bill..... maybe you took the wrong approach with this disrespectful ****...maybe you should have suggested that he get a couple of gallons of paint and a roller and brush...
Actually, I thought about doing it myself. (Not with the roller, LOL) but too much work for my wife's car. I find that when I do things myself, I get a better job.

I have to say, Evil was right about me spending time in the bathroom. But nothing exciting going on, just bad prostrate. (Sucks getting old)

In any case, for those that are following this, (not for comical relief) I'm out of town right now. When I get back, I will take the car to two more places my son found. (Further away) I will probably go with the $3500 if the worrentee is decent.


BTW, that thing is cool. Alas, mine is much more ordinary.

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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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I want to get my C5 repainted. It's black and I'm not changing colors, so no door jams and under hood. The car has serious paint flaking on top of the rear bumper cover. (I think that's what its called) Also, the targa looks like the paint is thin. Other than that, one minor scrape on rear drivers side. Will need some minor putty/bondo to fix.

I went to a local body shop and was given a quote of $3500. I havent had a car painted for quite awhile and wondered if you guys thought that was fair.
It sounds cheap to me for a good paint job. I'm putting my C5Z in the shop now my paint is good just want a show paint. I'm not doing Jams or under trunck/hood. 3 quotes all between $9k to $12k. Yellow paint factory don't remember how many coats of paint but 6 coats of clear and a upgraded clear this so it can be wet sanded to glass finish. Car will be gone for up to a month.
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Originally Posted by helirich
I also don't think pride of ownership is a bad thing. I just have more pride in things I built than things I bought.
A good majority of the Corvette owners on this forum do their own work on their cars, so keep that in mind.

Additionally, Evil Twin was on the C5 design team, which means that he built your car before you did and knows more about it than anyone else here, including yourself.
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by helirich
I'm not trying to go cheap or show car. Just wanted opinion on price. I don't have much choice around here. Seems like a Vette is an eazy car to paint because plastic doesn't really dent and its not very big. I'm no expert and I'm not sure how much work that back bumper cover is. (It's only flaked on the top) but 90 percent of the car is still shinny black paint. Wouldn't most of the car be sanded to remove the gloss and be ready for paint?

Just thinking out loud.
Fixing 6" scratch on rear fender. 2 hours. (Way over estimate IMHO)
Fixing top of bumper. 2 hours. (Wouldn't take 20 minutes to sand down to plastic) not sure what else needs to be done there.
Sand gloss off car. 2 hours.
Mask. 2 hours.
6 hours to paint.

Lets say $800 for paint.
14 hours at 60/hour=$840
So $1700 would be cost.
$1800 profit? Am I way off?
Yes, you sound like someone who has no clue about running a buisness and actual times to do the task. Wet sanding a car is over a day. I painted a few cars and seen the process your work times if superman is the tech. Our cars use a composite material that if you don't sand right you will see it. It could need gel coats between sanding. You need to ask yourself what you really want out of this paint job. You cannot rush prep work it is the foundation of your paint job. When I was getting estimates, different shops paint differently, some paint bumpers front and rear seperate as well deck lid off car and some take the car apart prep put it back toghether and paint as one. Get yourself a few estimates this way you can hear different opinions.
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Corvette_Ed
A good majority of the Corvette owners on this forum do their own work on their cars, so keep that in mind.:
I hope so. That's why I come to a site like this.

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Additionally, Evil Twin was on the C5 design team, which means that he built your car before you did and knows more about it than anyone else here, including yourself.
Now I know who to blame for some of the rediculas engineering on this thing. LOL
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Originally Posted by Dave concrete
It sounds cheap to me for a good paint job. I'm putting my C5Z in the shop now my paint is good just want a show paint. I'm not doing Jams or under trunck/hood. 3 quotes all between $9k to $12k. Yellow paint factory don't remember how many coats of paint but 6 coats of clear and a upgraded clear this so it can be wet sanded to glass finish. Car will be gone for up to a month.
If I wanted "Show Paint", I understand the sky's the limit. I was just looking for "freashin up" paint job. LOL. Thanks for the input.
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 02:25 PM
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Wait a minute. Help me to figure out all this kids B.S.
First its his C5
Then its his wife's C5
Then he bought it for her "8 Years ago " for 10 grand.
8 Years ago for ten grand?????????
8 years ago a total salvage title was getting 12 to 15 K
I cant imagine what a C5 for ten grand would look like 8 years ago when any C5 that was drivable 8 years ago was getting 15 to 20 K.
I think this kid stumbled on to this site with a bottle of lube in his hand. and a bad case of acne
IM done here.
While this kids childishness was funny for a while, most of us have much better things to do
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 02:52 PM
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Wait a minute. Help me to figure out all this kids B.S.
First its his C5
Then its his wife's C5
Then he bought it for her "8 Years ago " for 10 grand.
8 Years ago for ten grand?????????
8 years ago a total salvage title was getting 12 to 15 K
I cant imagine what a C5 for ten grand would look like 8 years ago when any C5 that was drivable 8 years ago was getting 15 to 20 K.
I think this kid stumbled on to this site with a bottle of lube in his hand. and a bad case of acne
IM done here.
While this kids childishness was funny for a while, most of us have much better things to do
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Well it is my wife's, I just paid for it. LOL. I also pay for the tires and parts I install and of course, I'm going to pay for the paint. Is that hard to understand? The car is a 97', so it was 9 years old when I bought it. I do think I got a good deal, but I looked at several in the 12 grand range. So I wouldn't say it was totally out of wack. The guy said he was tired of tire kickers and I pulled out cash. The car was in very good shape except for rocking chair seats with bad leather. Neoprene covers look great. LOL.

I'm sorry Evil, I should have paid more.

PS, if it makes you feel better, the seller refused to change the price on the bill of sale, so I had to pay full sales taxes on it.

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Now that I've recovered from the laughter brought on by ET's remark, I'd like to jump in here on the $1800 profit comment.
I'll state upfront that I have NO idea of what a paint job costs these days, as it's been decades since I had a car repainted that wasn't done in connection with collision work. But, even if the $1800 figure is accurate, there are expenses that any business has that quickly eat into that "profit." Considering that most body shops are small independent business, they have overhead in the form of rent, equipment, upkeep and maintenance, salaries, taxes utilities, and insurance, just to name a few. So, a job that may seem to make a business $1800 may not actually net the owner anywhere near that amount of money in the end.
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Originally Posted by helirich
I'm not trying to go cheap or show car. Just wanted opinion on price. I don't have much choice around here. Seems like a Vette is an eazy car to paint because plastic doesn't really dent and its not very big. I'm no expert and I'm not sure how much work that back bumper cover is. (It's only flaked on the top) but 90 percent of the car is still shinny black paint. Wouldn't most of the car be sanded to remove the gloss and be ready for paint?

Just thinking out loud.
Fixing 6" scratch on rear fender. 2 hours. (Way over estimate IMHO)
Fixing top of bumper. 2 hours. (Wouldn't take 20 minutes to sand down to plastic) not sure what else needs to be done there.
Sand gloss off car. 2 hours.
Mask. 2 hours.
6 hours to paint.

Lets say $800 for paint.
14 hours at 60/hour=$840
So $1700 would be cost.
$1800 profit? Am I way off?
You are way off
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