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Old Oct 12, 2014 | 01:12 PM
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Iwas just taking vette out of garage when service column lock displayed on DIC .Question is , will the column lock bypass kit fix this problem . Was going to install in the winter but looks like time table has been moved ahead . Second question , is it safe to drive with this issue ... Thanks in advance for any help ..
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Old Oct 12, 2014 | 01:17 PM
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FIX it ASAP.
The likelihood is strong to get stranded if you already have seen the warning.
It seems to happen at the worst time.
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Thanks for the quick response .Looks like I will be putting in the clb this week .
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 02silvervette
Thanks for the quick response .Looks like I will be putting in the clb this week .
I would recommend the LMC5 since it's much easier to install. In 30mn to one hour you can install it and have peace of mind when starting the car. There's a YouTube video on installation.
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 02silvervette
Iwas just taking vette out of garage when service column lock displayed on DIC .Question is , will the column lock bypass kit fix this problem . Was going to install in the winter but looks like time table has been moved ahead . Second question , is it safe to drive with this issue ... Thanks in advance for any help ..
I guess from your forum name it's a 2002. Can we assume it's a manual transmission car?
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
I guess from your forum name it's a 2002. Can we assume it's a manual transmission car?
Yes it is a manual.
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by laurent_zo6
I would recommend the LMC5 since it's much easier to install. In 30mn to one hour you can install it and have peace of mind when starting the car. There's a YouTube video on installation.
Do you know which vendors on the form carry the LMC5
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 08:17 AM
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Here's one that's been recommended on the forum:
http://www.complianceparts.com/products.html
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 08:43 AM
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They do have a youtube video, but read the instructions first!!!

They have you pull a fuse that is NOT in the video!!

Don't ask what happens if you don't pull the fuse!
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I have 2004 350/350 automatic. Saw the rec for the LMC5 kit, but when I checked the vendor's description for it, it said this:

*Only necessary if your steering wheel locks with the key OUT or if it remains locked due to a column lock failure*

Does this mean that if the steering wheel is unlockable with key removed, this issue doesn't apply to my car? Also saw the question if it was a manual. Is this problem only with manual transmissions?

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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 09:26 AM
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I consider the LMC5 to be the best Column Lock problem permanent fix out there. It also does not require you to “undo” any previous CL attempts to resolve this issue. Their eBay ads have a good video that shows the install at the BCM. It does not cover everything in the written instructions. So, read the instructions and also here is some extra info. In some cases, the BCM timing is off just enough to cause some issues. They make several versions and they can swap out/provide one of these if you have any issues. Their customer support is as good as it gets.

Not uncommon for people to "put the column in a pre-lock condition" and not know it and then start with the install. In other words, they started with the column lock “energized’ even if it was not actually locked yet. If not actually locked yet, it will be as soon as you turn the steering wheel after the LMC5 install. It will then remain in the locked condition until you cause the motor to unlock. It will then remain in the unlocked condition since the motor is then unpowered with the circuits disconnected.

Here is one way to prevent that if your column locks and unlocks normally:

If the CL is functioning normally you don't not need the Unlocker, merely turn the ignition ON, pull fuse #23, turn ignition OFF, turn the steering wheel (left and right) and verify it is unlocked. Next, disconnect the negative battery terminal, re-insert fuse #23 and continue with the install.

Compliance Parts website: http://complianceparts.com/index.html
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Yes and Yes.

The 2001 through 2004 automatics do NOT experience the column lock symptoms so there is no need to install either an LMC5 or CLB on your car.

The 1997 - 2001 automatics are NOT so lucky. These year automatics DO need to install an LMC5 to avoid the column lock symptoms.

ALL year manual transmission C5's can suffer from the column lock symptoms. It is not a matter of IF they will experience them. Without an aftermarket solution, they WILL eventually fall prey to the column lock symptoms.......... GM has NEVER had a permanent solution to the column lock symptoms. All GM solutions are ONLY a temporary solution that will eventually fail and leave you stranded.
Thank you, sir.

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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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Finally got around to installing mine on my current car yesterday. I most likely have the low voltage problem and I got tired of banging the steering wheel and column around to free it up. Fortunately, with my last two cars I was never stranded as I was always able to free it up by banging it aorund, but it got old.
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7




Most likely cause of your column lock symptoms is a weak or bad battery or loose or corroded battery cables. When the No Load voltage of the battery gets to 12.5 volts or less many of the electronics in the C5 fail to work correctly, especially the column lock system electronics.

No Load battery voltage is the voltage measured across the battery posts with the neg battery cable disconnected using a Digital Multi Meter (DMM).. A good battery at full charge will measure 12.7 to 12.9 volts or more No Load.

If it were my car I would not drive the car until you correct the problem unless you don't mind getting stranded away from home. JMHO.
This.

I noticed the error message a couple of weeks ago. About a week later, the car started turning over slowly and I realized I needed a new battery. Once I installed it, the error went away.

That said, it did inspire me to read up on the issue and I now have a CLB on the way (looks like maybe I should have bought the LMC5 but it should work fine).
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Old Oct 15, 2014 | 01:48 PM
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CLB will work fine as long as you check for the presence of a GM K Harness between the Lock Motor connector and the connector that goes back to the BCM. If you find a K Harness installed (the female connector that the lock motor connector is plugged into will have ONLY two wires coming out the back side of the connector, 1 white and 1 purple) completely remove the K Harness and plug the male connector of the CLB into the female connector that is attached to the bottom of the dash.

I have done this on several C5's ioncluding mine - the most time consuming part is removeing the kick pad underneath the column - this works wonderfully.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:44 AM
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I got the "remove key/wait 10 seconds" message in mine late last month, the steering wheel dose not lock, but its time to do this modification, this is a weekend car and it makes no sense not to do the lmc-5 mod versus an expensive tow bill.
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How can you determine if LMC5 or CLB has or has not already been done to your corvette?
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http://www.complianceparts.com/image...odule%20c1.jpg

The LMC5 looks like the picture above. It will be located under the passenger side floor panel adjacent the BCM - tucked on the left hand side it you have it. It has an orange, green and purple wire, with a looped brown wire not the end.

Not sure about the CLB as I've not seen one.
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Originally Posted by frsr06
http://www.complianceparts.com/image...odule%20c1.jpg

The LMC5 looks like the picture above. It will be located under the passenger side floor panel adjacent the BCM - tucked on the left hand side it you have it. It has an orange, green and purple wire, with a looped brown wire not the end.

Not sure about the CLB as I've not seen one.
Excellent thanks

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CLB looks like the square box at the following link.

http://www.corvetteworldparts.com/c5...n-lock-bypass/

Not easy to see as you have to drop the drivers side knee bolster to gain access to where it is plugged in.


If the car is a manual trans and the steering wheel turns with NO KEY in the ignition then there is likely either a CLB or LMC5 likely installed. That test does NOT apply to a 97 - 2000 automatic trans. And even for a manual trans is NOT a 100% accurate indication. Your profile simply identifies your car as a 99.
In that case it may already be done in my car. The steering doesn't lock with the key out. I will check while working on my winter projects to see which mod.

Thanks, excellent info.
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Here is a link on dropping the drivers side knee bolster. Part 1 of the link identifies the tools needed and show pictures of the steps:


http://www.ls1howto.com/index.php?article=24


Once the knee bolster is out of the way look for a square box with one pigtail that looks like that in the link I provided above.
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