[Z06] New ZL1
Pro
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From: South Lyon, MI
I raced one from a dig last year, it was an auto and i put about 2 car lengths on the ZL1.. My Z makes 400whp with basic bolt ons and the Zl1 was stock. We only raced up to 1/8th of a mile...he did have traction issue especially with launching the auto but nontheless ZL1 or Z28 would be the only Camaro I would buy.
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From: Everywhere and Nowhere at all
Sweet car.... One of my neighbors owns white Hennessey built ZL1...., he also owns an 09 C6Z... The ZL1 sounds AMAZING!!!! He's an older fella... He is talking about his wife learning to drive this car on an auto x course!! I'm thinking DUDE!!! NO WAY!! She recently traded her 14 SS on an Audi A8..... Yeah, they have stupid money.....
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Melting Slicks
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From: N Cal
Thanks everyone for the compliments!
The Zl1 is a totally different beast than my sold but not forgotten Z06. I can feel the 800 lbs. difference in overall weight, but the power (hp and torque) make up for it in a big way. Now to lose some weight! (the car that is!)
The Zl1 is a totally different beast than my sold but not forgotten Z06. I can feel the 800 lbs. difference in overall weight, but the power (hp and torque) make up for it in a big way. Now to lose some weight! (the car that is!)
Instructor
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From: San Diego CA
Having owned a 2012 ZL1, I will say my current 2002 C5Z definitely impressed me. It felt much more responsive than my ZL1. That could be due to weight. But honestly, I think the C5Z has a minimal lead over the ZL1. Obviously newer car comes with new technologies but considering the C5Z has less, it holds its own. Around a 8minute track I'd say the ZL1 just because of its consistent power and able to put that power to the ground. Mine has the basic bolt-ons (intake, headers, cats) and I notice a BIG difference between my ZL1. My ZL1 was stock however. My C5Z isn't tuned or anything crazy like that and still has the stock exhaust.
I almost purchased a 2015 ZL1 2 days ago if it wasn't for CA 8% sales tax, instead I'm trading in the C5Z and buying a Challenger Hellcat which I found in Indiana. I'll own a Chevrolet sometime between 5-10 years most likely. If Chevrolet impresses me enough with the '17-18 ZL1 I might jump ship.
Congrats on your purchase though! Looks great!
I almost purchased a 2015 ZL1 2 days ago if it wasn't for CA 8% sales tax, instead I'm trading in the C5Z and buying a Challenger Hellcat which I found in Indiana. I'll own a Chevrolet sometime between 5-10 years most likely. If Chevrolet impresses me enough with the '17-18 ZL1 I might jump ship.
Congrats on your purchase though! Looks great!
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Drifting
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From: MA
Having owned a 2012 ZL1, I will say my current 2002 C5Z definitely impressed me. It felt much more responsive than my ZL1. That could be due to weight. But honestly, I think the C5Z has a minimal lead over the ZL1. Obviously newer car comes with new technologies but considering the C5Z has less, it holds its own. Around a 8minute track I'd say the ZL1 just because of its consistent power and able to put that power to the ground. Mine has the basic bolt-ons (intake, headers, cats) and I notice a BIG difference between my ZL1. My ZL1 was stock however. My C5Z isn't tuned or anything crazy like that and still has the stock exhaust.
I almost purchased a 2015 ZL1 2 days ago if it wasn't for CA 8% sales tax, instead I'm trading in the C5Z and buying a Challenger Hellcat which I found in Indiana. I'll own a Chevrolet sometime between 5-10 years most likely. If Chevrolet impresses me enough with the '17-18 ZL1 I might jump ship.
Congrats on your purchase though! Looks great!
I almost purchased a 2015 ZL1 2 days ago if it wasn't for CA 8% sales tax, instead I'm trading in the C5Z and buying a Challenger Hellcat which I found in Indiana. I'll own a Chevrolet sometime between 5-10 years most likely. If Chevrolet impresses me enough with the '17-18 ZL1 I might jump ship.
Congrats on your purchase though! Looks great!
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From: Kelowna BC
C5 Z06; 3.9 and 11.97 (per Chevrolet and many drivers)
ZL1 Camaro; 3.9 and 12.2 (per Car and Driver I think)
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As far as the 'Ring times go: GM timed their laps from a standing start (as most did) until the ZR1 came out; the C5Z and C6Z were timed from a standing start, while the ZR1, ZL1, and Z/28 were timed from a rolling start.
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11.97 was recorded at the strip by GM High-Tech Performance... GM claimed 3.9 to 60, 12.4 @ 116 for the 405hp Z06 on tarmac; the ZL1 was timed at 12.2 on tarmac by MT, 12 flat by GM
As far as the 'Ring times go: GM timed their laps from a standing start (as most did) until the ZR1 came out; the C5Z and C6Z were timed from a standing start, while the ZR1, ZL1, and Z/28 were timed from a rolling start.
As far as the 'Ring times go: GM timed their laps from a standing start (as most did) until the ZR1 came out; the C5Z and C6Z were timed from a standing start, while the ZR1, ZL1, and Z/28 were timed from a rolling start.
As for 1/4 times, many have gone high 11's to low 12's in a C5Z, it'll be interesting to see real world ZL1 times.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...list-only.html
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A rolling start at what speed? That could make a world of difference depending on the roll start speed.
As for 1/4 times, many have gone high 11's to low 12's in a C5Z, it'll be interesting to see real world ZL1 times.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...list-only.html
As for 1/4 times, many have gone high 11's to low 12's in a C5Z, it'll be interesting to see real world ZL1 times.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...list-only.html
Those times are on a prepped strip, not unprepped tarmac, which is what GM, Ford, and all the OEM mags test on
Here is a link to the Gen 5 fast list, scroll down to see the stock ZL1 best times (spoiler-they're quicker than a stock Z06, even the record time):
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...88&postcount=1
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A rolling start at what speed? That could make a world of difference depending on the roll start speed.
As for 1/4 times, many have gone high 11's to low 12's in a C5Z, it'll be interesting to see real world ZL1 times.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...list-only.html
As for 1/4 times, many have gone high 11's to low 12's in a C5Z, it'll be interesting to see real world ZL1 times.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...list-only.html
You want real world numbers? The day I ran one was a 2500ish DA, both cars had non-DR tires, I'm bone stock, I assume the ZL1 was too. He never went better than a 12.6ish all day. My times were 12.4-12.5. I'm stock down to the AC Delco air filter. No tune, no headers, no CAI, no light weight battery, nothing.
In the end it would be a driver's race.
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1--11.783 @ 116.90--1.818--J-Rod---------'02
2--11.818 @ 117.26--1.783--Ranger--------'02 11/03 Slip
3--11.844 @ 117.91--1.761--Gary2004Z06-'04 12/07 Post 229, Slip
4--11.93x @ 119.xx--1.xxx --Esoteric-------'0x
5--11.97x @ 118.80--1.90x--GMHTP--------'04 03/04
6--11.99x @ 117.61--1.xxx --02Z06Racer---'02
7--12.048 @ 115.92--1.866--pwrshfd-------'02 12/03
8--12.074 @ 119.18--1.860--02EBzEE------'02 10/11 Post #36
9--12.08x @ 115.95--1.83x--Pray ----------'02 01/06 Slip
10-12.09x @ xxx.xx--1.79x--UVETTA -------'03
I agree on it being a driver's race
Drifting
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From: MA
The bolt-on times have the listed mods, but these "Bone-Stock Times" are OEM from the air filter to the tires:
1--11.783 @ 116.90--1.818--J-Rod---------'02
2--11.818 @ 117.26--1.783--Ranger--------'02 11/03 Slip
3--11.844 @ 117.91--1.761--Gary2004Z06-'04 12/07 Post 229, Slip
4--11.93x @ 119.xx--1.xxx --Esoteric-------'0x
5--11.97x @ 118.80--1.90x--GMHTP--------'04 03/04
6--11.99x @ 117.61--1.xxx --02Z06Racer---'02
7--12.048 @ 115.92--1.866--pwrshfd-------'02 12/03
8--12.074 @ 119.18--1.860--02EBzEE------'02 10/11 Post #36
9--12.08x @ 115.95--1.83x--Pray ----------'02 01/06 Slip
10-12.09x @ xxx.xx--1.79x--UVETTA -------'03
I agree on it being a driver's race
1--11.783 @ 116.90--1.818--J-Rod---------'02
2--11.818 @ 117.26--1.783--Ranger--------'02 11/03 Slip
3--11.844 @ 117.91--1.761--Gary2004Z06-'04 12/07 Post 229, Slip
4--11.93x @ 119.xx--1.xxx --Esoteric-------'0x
5--11.97x @ 118.80--1.90x--GMHTP--------'04 03/04
6--11.99x @ 117.61--1.xxx --02Z06Racer---'02
7--12.048 @ 115.92--1.866--pwrshfd-------'02 12/03
8--12.074 @ 119.18--1.860--02EBzEE------'02 10/11 Post #36
9--12.08x @ 115.95--1.83x--Pray ----------'02 01/06 Slip
10-12.09x @ xxx.xx--1.79x--UVETTA -------'03
I agree on it being a driver's race
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That actually would depend on the size of the road course... the ZL1 is no slouch if it has the room
A tight course or an autocross is game over the ZL1, though, and I bet it gets beaten on a ten-lap average with equal drivers regardless of the venue
A tight course or an autocross is game over the ZL1, though, and I bet it gets beaten on a ten-lap average with equal drivers regardless of the venue
Drifting
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From: MA
Too much C5Z koolaid been passed around in this thread.
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lol - No, you got me reversed, the Z06 would have a hard time competing w/ the ZL1 on any road course. Again, I cite the 14 second spread from their nurburgring times!!!! Outfit the Z06 w/ the best modern tires you may shave 3, hey even FIVE seconds, still WAY off. While the ZL1 is much heavier it is also MUCH easier to drive at the limit, has better rubber, much better suspension, and yeah - it's blown so ahh, it has that going for it too once the track straightens out. It can also brake later too.
Too much C5Z koolaid been passed around in this thread.
Too much C5Z koolaid been passed around in this thread.
You can't compare any times pre-GT-R to those post-GT-R... after Nissan did a hot lap start for their hero time, every other manufacturer followed suit
I think on a tight course, it's the Z06's race to lose, and a big track favors the ZL1... and I think that the ZL1's times would deteriorate faster than the Z06's, given its weight and blower
I think they'd be closer than you believe, but yeah, the ZL1 is WAY more advanced
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Melting Slicks
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From: N Cal
I appreciate the positive comments.
The one thing I can tell you about the ZL1 vs. the Z06 (my perspective only) is the ZL1 will let you feel the progression of over steer as opposed to the Z06 which will just kick without not much warning. That suits my driving style!
The one thing I can tell you about the ZL1 vs. the Z06 (my perspective only) is the ZL1 will let you feel the progression of over steer as opposed to the Z06 which will just kick without not much warning. That suits my driving style!