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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 09:24 AM
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What are you going to do with a 9mm ( kiddie caliber )(***teasing***) if someone scratches your car intentionally or unintentionally? AS if having a weapon in the car would ever address this issue.
Now an attempted hijacking, that's a different story.( been down that road ) The bad guys lost that day.



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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 09:58 AM
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I go to the range every Sunday, just to keep my muscle memory, and my edge. IM leaving shortly for the range now. nice to have indoor enclosures on a rainy day.
when you are 71, its much more important to practice weekly.
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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
I go to the range every Sunday, just to keep my muscle memory, and my edge. IM leaving shortly for the range now. nice to have indoor enclosures on a rainy day.
when you are 71, its much more important to practice weekly.
I practice at 21 feet with this Kimber. 20 to 40 rounds a week.



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Nice all around.
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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 03:27 PM
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I think everyone is missing the point. It's no longer about equal opportunity, rather it's about equal results regardless of strategy, education, or effort. How dare you have a nice, well-maintained C5 Corvette when there are others out there who have also worked hard and don't have one?! It's not fair and they have the right to lash out with their weak and feeble efforts of self-imposed economic justice.
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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MSG C5
I think everyone is missing the point. It's no longer about equal opportunity, rather it's about equal results regardless of strategy, education, or effort. How dare you have a nice, well-maintained C5 Corvette when there are others out there who have also worked hard and don't have one?! It's not fair and they have the right to lash out with their weak and feeble efforts of self-imposed economic justice.
Vandalism is nothing new. I have had cars vandalized since I started driving in '69. There have been dirtbags around forever.
Since this happened at his office parking lot, more than likely it was his co-worker that had a beef against him.


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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 05:00 PM
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You can not defend against small minded people. There is a measure of luck involved. I still think that putting your car close to the eyes of others, is the best defense against a coward. The word sneak comes to mind, jealous, immature, hateful.

Logic would dictate that putting your car out in the boonies or away from others or taking up two spots would protect your car from damage... I never subscribed to that notion, yet lots of people here do.. and we see lots of people complain about parking out in the boonies, or placing your car in a special way to " show it off " or that you think it is special, only baits those small minded people to react in a very negative way. Giving them access to your car out in the boonies only gives them a safer environment not to get caught. Taking up two parking spots is like being a wounded animal in a world of wolves. Everyone wants a piece, even those who would never call themself a wolf. It pisses people off to see anyone flaunt their car or use two spots..

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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 05:43 PM
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Haters gonna hate. It's frustrating and annoying for the repair and paperwork, police report and insurance. Hope the repair goes well.
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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 06:03 PM
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Unfortunately, "That Color " is almost impossible to lay down in the same manner that the factory uses. To make that repair invisible, the front fender door and rear quarter need to be painted. Most insurance companies will only pay for a door repair. Most repair shops and insurance companies will not pay for a full side paint. So you wind up with a mis matched color. It would be in your best interest to make sure that the insurance company, and the repair shop will " match " without any evidence ( under any light or angle )of a repainted door. Blending into the front fender and rear quarter will still shoe evidence of a mismatched spray pattern. I would make sure that your satisfaction is in writing, and that if you can see a mismatch, that the insurance company or the repair shop will fix it. The only way to insure a flawless spray pattern with this color, is to spray the whole side.
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lol... im sure some old timers can kick some ***... whats that movie with clint eastwood ??? ahhh GRAND TORINO
I'm not looking for an argument from anybody and everybody needs to know their capabilities. I'm not much of a turn the other cheek kind of guy. I respect all those around me and deserve and demand the same from them. I'm in my 60's and a couple years ago had a stupid arrogant *** kid in his late teens try to assault me. He got popped, rolled over my hip, landed flat on his back, got my knee dropped into his chest which knocked the wind out of him. Instant attitude change. I told him then "I'm not as big or strong as I used to be but I haven't forgotten a damn thing, messing with people you don't know will get you killed". Hopefully that taught him a life long lesson in respect for other folks. Y'all take care and be safe!
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I'm not looking for an argument from anybody and everybody needs to know their capabilities. I'm not much of a turn the other cheek kind of guy. I respect all those around me and deserve and demand the same from them. I'm in my 60's and a couple years ago had a stupid arrogant *** kid in his late teens try to assault me. He got popped, rolled over my hip, landed flat on his back, got my knee dropped into his chest which knocked the wind out of him. Instant attitude change. I told him then "I'm not as big or strong as I used to be but I haven't forgotten a damn thing, messing with people you don't know will get you killed". Hopefully that taught him a life long lesson in respect for other folks. Y'all take care and be safe!
I have had a similar incident in my late fifties, only I didn't hit him, he took a swing at me and I just grabbed him by the shirt under his chin, picked him up and sat him on his hood and my girlfriend called 911 !!!!
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Old Oct 10, 2016 | 12:54 PM
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Just a note. Last year a married father of five from St Croix Falls Wis tried to teach a mouthy punk about respect. The teen pulled a knife and stabbed him. He is dead now for no reason and the kid was found not guilty for it was considered self defense. Best to avoid confrontations and let the authorities handle it. Not worth getting killed over.
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Just a note. Last year a married father of five from St Croix Falls Wis tried to teach a mouthy punk about respect. The teen pulled a knife and stabbed him. He is dead now for no reason and the kid was found not guilty for it was considered self defense. Best to avoid confrontations and let the authorities handle it. Not worth getting killed over.
with you completely, my girlfriend was livid saying the same what if he had a gun !!! Sometimes you just react without thinking especially in those situations !!! (there is a reason for my nickname)

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An adult can not assault a minor without proof of self defense, if the minor is hurt, and you have no witnesses, your *** is up a creek... that's the law in all 50 states,. If you hurt a minor, you are going to jail. He can trash talk you all he wants, he can put his hands on you, but without corroboration you as an adult are in deep do doo. Have his aggression on tape, or have a corroborating witness and you can defend yourself... if he puts his hands on you, you can restrain him, but you cant hurt him.
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An adult can not assault a minor without proof of self defense, if the minor is hurt, and you have no witnesses, your *** is up a creek... that's the law in all 50 states,. If you hurt a minor, you are going to jail. He can trash talk you all he wants, he can put his hands on you, but without corroboration you as an adult are in deep do doo. Have his aggression on tape, or have a corroborating witness and you can defend yourself... if he puts his hands on you, you can restrain him, but you cant hurt him.
no one mentioned a age ??????
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Unfortunately, "That Color " is almost impossible to lay down in the same manner that the factory uses. To make that repair invisible, the front fender door and rear quarter need to be painted. Most insurance companies will only pay for a door repair. Most repair shops and insurance companies will not pay for a full side paint. So you wind up with a mis matched color. It would be in your best interest to make sure that the insurance company, and the repair shop will " match " without any evidence ( under any light or angle )of a repainted door. Blending into the front fender and rear quarter will still shoe evidence of a mismatched spray pattern. I would make sure that your satisfaction is in writing, and that if you can see a mismatch, that the insurance company or the repair shop will fix it. The only way to insure a flawless spray pattern with this color, is to spray the whole side.
Pretty sure I didn't want to read that :-(. Love my C5, and to think that it's 'soiled' forever because it'll never quite match makes me very sad indeed. My car is really immaculate in every way, so I'm hoping and praying that the spray shop does a magnificent job.
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I'm not looking for an argument from anybody and everybody needs to know their capabilities. I'm not much of a turn the other cheek kind of guy. I respect all those around me and deserve and demand the same from them. I'm in my 60's and a couple years ago had a stupid arrogant *** kid in his late teens try to assault me. He got popped, rolled over my hip, landed flat on his back, got my knee dropped into his chest which knocked the wind out of him. Instant attitude change. I told him then "I'm not as big or strong as I used to be but I haven't forgotten a damn thing, messing with people you don't know will get you killed". Hopefully that taught him a life long lesson in respect for other folks. Y'all take care and be safe!

Hurt a 17 year old and you will go to jail. Now an adult is a different matter..

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Pretty sure I didn't want to read that :-(. Love my C5, and to think that it's 'soiled' forever because it'll never quite match makes me very sad indeed. My car is really immaculate in every way, so I'm hoping and praying that the spray shop does a magnificent job.
I just told you how to avoid a problem... you do not have to accept what they give you....You pay an insurance premium for a reason. If you let them give a poor job, then its on you... If you tell them up front that you want the fix to be invisible and guaranteed for the life of the car.
You put that in writing when you go to a shop, and also with your agent. You don't want to get into the middle of finger points where the body shops says, that's all they paid me. And the insurance company said the body shop would do a guaranteed job...

You have to make sure the insurance company pays them for a 100 % guaranteed for life repair. You also have to make sure that you want a 100% guaranteed job, and if they cant do that, and have them sign that agreement, then you take it somewhere else. If the insurance company says you have to take it to a certain place make sure both the repair shop and the insurance company knows what you expect..

It is your right to take your car to any shop you want. Its the insurance company's job to pay them. Its up to you to make sure you have all your bases covered. Good shops ( do your research ) will guarantee their repair in writing for the life of the existing paint job. Most of these shops charge more money than others. But you have a Corvette, and you pay a premium for that car. Its your right to go to a Corvette repair shop. Its the insurance companies job to satisfy you. And not find the cheapest shop to make a cursory repair.
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I just told you how to avoid a problem... you do not have to accept what they give you....You pay an insurance premium for a reason. If you let them give a poor job, then its on you... If you tell them up front that you want the fix to be invisible and guaranteed for the life of the car.
You put that in writing when you go to a shop, and also with your agent. You don't want to get into the middle of finger points where the body shops says, that's all they paid me. And the insurance company said the body shop would do a guaranteed job...

You have to make sure the insurance company pays them for a 100 % guaranteed for life repair. You also have to make sure that you want a 100% guaranteed job, and if they cant do that, and have them sign that agreement, then you take it somewhere else. If the insurance company says you have to take it to a certain place make sure both the repair shop and the insurance company knows what you expect..

It is your right to take your car to any shop you want. Its the insurance company's job to pay them. Its up to you to make sure you have all your bases covered. Good shops ( do your research ) will guarantee their repair in writing for the life of the existing paint job. Most of these shops charge more money than others. But you have a Corvette, and you pay a premium for that car. Its your right to go to a Corvette repair shop. Its the insurance companies job to satisfy you. And not find the cheapest shop to make a cursory repair.
Going to have to think about this. $500 insurance excess with no vandalism clause means this is not a trivial undertaking. I've been quoted $300 for respray of the door.

ET - there is a pewter door for sale, about 4hrs round trip from where I live. It's from a 98 whereas mine is a 99. It's for sale at $299. Do you think that a better deal than respray, or would you expect more variation from different cars?
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I'm not looking for an argument from anybody and everybody needs to know their capabilities. I'm not much of a turn the other cheek kind of guy. I respect all those around me and deserve and demand the same from them. I'm in my 60's and a couple years ago had a stupid arrogant *** kid in his late teens try to assault me. He got popped, rolled over my hip, landed flat on his back, got my knee dropped into his chest which knocked the wind out of him. Instant attitude change. I told him then "I'm not as big or strong as I used to be but I haven't forgotten a damn thing, messing with people you don't know will get you killed". Hopefully that taught him a life long lesson in respect for other folks. Y'all take care and be safe!

Hurt a 17 year old and you will go to jail. Now an adult is a different matter..
I would interpret late teens as 18 or 19 ???? as usual just an opinion !!!
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I'm not looking for an argument from anybody and everybody needs to know their capabilities. I'm not much of a turn the other cheek kind of guy. I respect all those around me and deserve and demand the same from them. I'm in my 60's and a couple years ago had a stupid arrogant *** kid in his late teens try to assault me. He got popped, rolled over my hip, landed flat on his back, got my knee dropped into his chest which knocked the wind out of him. Instant attitude change. I told him then "I'm not as big or strong as I used to be but I haven't forgotten a damn thing, messing with people you don't know will get you killed". Hopefully that taught him a life long lesson in respect for other folks. Y'all take care and be safe!

Hurt a 17 year old and you will go to jail. Now an adult is a different matter..
When situations are moving fast and an assault/crime is ongoing there is little time to determine if someone is a juvenile or adult. Unless they are extremely young a lot of these young folks, meaning mid teens and up become indistinguishable from adults. Teens and young adults commit a very large percentage of the violent crime in our country. You always have the right of self defense to protect yourself from injury or death. Trying to sort out the age issue when split seconds count and those split seconds may make a difference in you being an injured victim or walking away uninjured is just not realistic on the street during a violent encounter. I'll always opt to protect myself, my family or any good citizen who is being victimized whenever possible. As an after thought I'll relay an incident that happened in Shreveport LA (very close to where I live) about a week or two ago. A man stopped at a convenience store in the evening hours, two assailants attempted to rob and carjack him, stole his wallet. When the citizen was able he produced his licensed concealed handgun and shot both assailants. One dead, the other in ICU. The citizen was unharmed. The assailants weapon (handgun) was recovered at the scene. Both assailants 17 years old (minors). Police determined the victim acted lawfully in defense of his life and property. No charges filed. In my opinion you have to be prepared to defend yourself at all times. The chances of a police officer being on scene or even close enough to prevent a crime in progress is so remote as to be just about non-existant. If you are assaulted, either with hands or a weapon, it matters little to you during the assault whether the assailant is a six foot 200 lb 17 year old or a six foot 200 lb 21 year old, you can end up just as injured or dead in either case. I'll always choose to go with self defence. Best wishes and take care!
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