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Old Dec 14, 2016 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Handwich
I have asked myself some "why the engineers" questions. Why are the stock sway bars so wimpy? Why are the headlights so horrible? Why didn't they put in a better exhaust manifold? Etc.
I am sure that the list could go on and on.
My conclusion is that the engineers don't make the final decision. And that while these cars are high-performance machines, they are not perfect and there is room for improvement.

Back to the 2 options you eschew - do they hurt miles per gallon?
Anyone spending thousand and thousand in making his car faster should not be thinking in gasoline cost. Mile per gallon should not be a Corvette owner concern or you are driving the wrong car. Spinning the engine to highter RPMs yes consume more gas and creates more stress to the engine.

-Have any oem sway bar break ? I'm using the C6 Z06 sway bar and they are really nice but the car also needs flexibility, last time I put a pair of Hotchkis I ended up in the other size of the road for the lack on flexibility in the suspension.

-The headlights on the C5 I like it but this is a personal matter of taste because I also like the ones on the C6. I was 17 years old when the first C5 came out and I went to see it at the dealer, I was so impacted by the design that I have never forget that moment, 20 years later I still like it but new designs are getting more and more attractive.

-The exhaust manifold are fine, they are compliant with environment regulation and great design by the way. The question is, are we the ones that are putting so much effort in redesign what was well done from the beginning for extra power ? I think that we as a consumer are the ones that are using the wrong product? because to race we have the wrong car. Have you see Chevrolet crate engines for racing ?
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Old Dec 14, 2016 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by typeav

-The headlights on the C5 I like it but this is a personal matter of taste because I also like the ones on the C6. I was 17 years old when the first C5 came out and I went to see it at the dealer, I was so impacted by the design that I have never forget that moment, 20 years later I still like it but new designs are getting more and more attractive.
You are not easy to follow. All you are doing is putting forth your own opinions as if they are intellectually superior to someone else's notions. Fact is the C5 headlights totally SUCK in terms of seeing the road at night. (I know, the omniscient engineers gave us what is the very best for us.)


YOU are the one who posed the question about "why" the engineers went with certain driveline components. GEE - maybe ..... that was a factor in getting to a certain MPG number. You did not answer the question I posed about whether (or not) the 4.10 and aluminum flywheel gave better MPG numbers. Instead you headed down some other path. So my guess is that you don't know the answer to the relatively simple question I raised.


So you were 17 years old when the C5 first came out? Maybe you are a 30-something know-it-all. Well, I guess every forum needs a couple of those.

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Old Dec 14, 2016 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Handwich
You are not easy to follow. All you are doing is putting forth your own opinions as if they are intellectually superior to someone else's notions. Fact is the C5 headlights totally SUCK in terms of seeing the road at night. (I know, the omniscient engineers gave us what is the very best for us.)


YOU are the one who posed the question about "why" the engineers went with certain driveline components. GEE - maybe ..... that was a factor in getting to a certain MPG number. You did not answer the question I posed about whether (or not) the 4.10 and aluminum flywheel gave better MPG numbers. Instead you headed down some other path. So my guess is that you don't know the answer to the relatively simple question I raised.


So you were 17 years old when the C5 first came out? Maybe you are a 30-something know-it-all. Well, I guess every forum needs a couple of those.

Have a nice day.
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You did not answer the question I posed about whether (or not) the 4.10 and aluminum flywheel gave better MPG numbers.
Dont you know how to read ?
Spinning the engine to highter RPMs yes consume more gas and creates more stress to the engine.



Originally Posted by Sam Handwich
So you were 17 years old when the C5 first came out? Maybe you are a 30-something know-it-all. Well, I guess every forum needs a couple of those.
Actually 37 years old, with 1 C6, 3 C5 since I was 21 years old, yes I think my opinions are better than yours.



Originally Posted by Sam Handwich
Well, I guess every forum needs a couple of those.
This thread started by requesting recommendation for a daily drive car and I'm exposing my experience in my tries and errors, I'm sure he appreciate.
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For a daily driver, you should consider upgrading your headlights to our Bi-xenon Projector system:

http://shop.radioflyerinnovations.co...lights-015.htm
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Originally Posted by typeav
Dont you know how to read ?
Spinning the engine to highter RPMs yes consume more gas and creates more stress to the engine.

Actually 37 years old, with 1 C6, 3 C5 since I was 21 years old, yes I think my opinions are better than yours.

This thread started by requesting recommendation for a daily drive car and I'm exposing my experience in my tries and errors, I'm sure he appreciate.
Big whoopee there.
Well I was a driving BMWs before you were out of diapers. Does that enhance my pedigree?
your opinions are no better than anyone else's. But it is always good to realize who is the self-proclaimed know-it-all.
You are probably a nice person, but on this forum you are showing your bad side.

Yes, I do know how to read. This thing started downhill because you DON'T. And because you can't admit it.

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Old Dec 14, 2016 | 08:57 PM
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So I went back and rewrote my first post in this thread to make it easier to understand what my goals are and what mods are already installed or on the way.

Thank you everyone so far for your input, it is greatly appreciated.

While a supercharger over a cam would obviously be the better bang for the buck, for my purposes all that power would be overkill, even though I know it would be a whole lot of fun.

I'm looking for fun and reliability all at the same time for my daily driver, which is why I went with the cam I went with.
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Originally Posted by TheRadioFlyer
For a daily driver, you should consider upgrading your headlights to our Bi-xenon Projector system:

http://shop.radioflyerinnovations.co...lights-015.htm


The RadioFlyer headlights are my favorite upgrade.
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Originally Posted by Sam Handwich
Big whoopee there.
Well I was a driving BMWs before you were out of diapers. Does that enhance my pedigree?:woohoo
I do not like to argument with old people specially if they have a history of BMWs and have not contribute anything to this thread.

But I'm sure you are a nice person too.

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one more bump with the updated original post.

No more arguing either
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Originally Posted by runner140*
I like the idea of what Chuck suggested...a tune and 4.10 gears.
All too many consumers.....opt for the supercharger for the "instant gratification" they're after.

I can't tell you how many people call me because they regret it.

If I had only got to them sooner.... I could have saved them some headaches....

Not every supercharger is a mistake, but personally... I HATE centrifugals.

I hate what you have to do the to poor car to install them... and the BELT/PULLEY thing....FORGET IT.

If you have a budget.... then opt for durability and performance mods like a rear end and some quality tuning

with bolt ons..... You'll have more money in your pocket.... A more reliable ride.... and a big smile.

Yes, plenty of people will chime in and cry....

But that's the fact JACK!
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An insulation kit would probably be good for a daily driver. I got mine from Vettenuts, and they're on sale right now too. Cut out on road noise, and isn't terribly expensive. Halo taillights, switchback turn signal would be my next suggestions, maybe interior LED upgrade as well. Radioflyer has all of your lighting needs.

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I will add my 02. Take it for what it worth because in the end it will come down to what the owner/driver really wants. I will say this.... Chuck CoW is an awesome stand up guy! I have know him for many years now and he has always treated me like family. He knows how to tune a stock or bolt on C5 Corvette and brings it really to life. Trust me you won't regret it! Call him up and get it scheduled. Once done just put it in park or neutral and just rev the gas....you'll notice a change right off the bat! How about throttle response as quick as a carburated/cable driven car? Yep after Chuck tunes it you will be feeling that. The 4:10s will really wake it up. I agree with Chuck, if I had to do mine all over again, I would of and should of (listen to him) and done this round first. I ended up going to a supercharger last year after bouncing the idea around in my head for nearly 7 years. I don't regret it but it is nowhere near what its cracked up to be and there are lots of little things that are annoying that you aren't told before its done. To some its no big deal, but to me I would of rather to have known about it all before hand so as to make an educated decision. Trust me over 7 years of reading post after post, I would of assumed I would of stumbled onto some of these things....but guess what! Surprise! Nope. So some helpful hints for those thinking about a Supercharger centri unit...keep this in mind...

On a C5 this will happen or have to happen:
• Cars front end will sit lower because of added weight.
• The underneath spoiler will have to be cut about 1" or be removed. (you will scrape and bottom out on just dips in the road)
• The power steering cooler will have to be re-positioned or removed completely.
• Your radiator will have to be trimmed on the top and you will see this on some centri setups!* You will have to make a custom radiator cover (like I did) to hide this ugliness.
• The fans may not bolt flush up against the radiator like stock. Their may be an uneven gap. Again if you leave it without a cover you will see this.
• You will need a catch can or vented catch can if you don't have one on the car already.
• You will need to plumb a line from the crankcase through the catch can and through a check valve to properly relieve crankcase pressure built up by the supercharger.
• The centri unit will require you to get a tune and may take several attempts to get it right.
• You will most likely need to replace a stock clutch if you haven't done so already.
• Being you are adding more power and stress to the car it can be expected that if you beat on it hard the weakest link will eventually break. For this reason it is highly HIGHLY recommended that at minimum the valve springs and retainers are replaced with dual valve springs and Titanium retainers. It is also recommended that stronger forged rods are used and a trunion rebuild kit for the rockers is done or the rockers are replaced.

• Many have installed Alky Systems (alcohol injection) with supercharging. Basically this keeps IATs (Intake Air Temperatures) down and prevents detonation. For systems under 600hp this might be overkill but still many have done it "just to be safe". Factor in another $500-$800 for the system installed.

• All said and done you're expecting to be around $10K for a supercharger and clutch with all the extras I have mentioned. Sure you can skimp and do it cheaper but you are (in my own opinion) playing with fire by not doing at least what was mentioned above. Many have done a lot more, (timing chains, oil pumps, larger radiators, etc).

So yeah...just some words of wisdom. When it comes to the C5, for any motor and performance boost...if you want to play your going to have to pay! Just remember you have to do things in stages or groups. You can't just slap something on without thinking how its going to affect the rest of the car.

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