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Old 10-18-2017, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
105k is way premature. I would want to factor out any possible causes that might end up in the new engine.

Mine had a bent connecting rod due to hydro-locking. The rest of the engine was rebuildable. I ended up going with 799 heads and LS6 cam and some mild mods. I know that is too mild for most track guys but I drive it on the street.

The above forged engine would be a good candidate if you ever think you might want FE or nitrus.
I’d consider that but I need to know what else it takes to swap a non LS1. I want an easy swap. I figure with a cam and head work 400 to the ground is reachable without sacrificing too much reliability. I do like touring in the car.
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The only difference in a lS1 and LS6 is the cam, heads, PCV and tune. The short blocks were identical for the same model year. Everything bolts up the same either way.

LS3 engines are very similar with only a few minor changes like the cam position sensor location (on the front instead of rear), Larger intake etc. LS1 parts will bolt up to an LS3.
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
105k is way premature. I would want to factor out any possible causes that might end up in the new engine.
mine at 115K which led to building the motor I am selling...


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Originally Posted by Rob 02
The only difference in a lS1 and LS6 is the cam, heads, PCV and tune. The short blocks were identical for the same model year. Everything bolts up the same either way.

LS3 engines are very similar with only a few minor changes like the cam position sensor location (on the front instead of rear), Larger intake etc. LS1 parts will bolt up to an LS3.
Perfect. I thought the cam position was different. Will the LS1 pCM still work? Will my McLeod flywheel work from my LS1?
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The PCM is the same, just a different tune for the cam and heads. I'm using a PCM out of a Tahoe (same part number) and a fly wheel off of an LS2. It all bolts up the same.
The LS6 is an LS1 with a cam and heads. That is the only real difference. Same crank and everything.
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Originally Posted by pewter99
mine at 115K which led to building the motor I am selling...


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That sucks! Was the cam and valve-train stock?

Mine had 130k and very little signs of wear inside. I did use LS7 lifters. I hope that wasn't a bad choice.
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
The PCM is the same, just a different tune for the cam and heads. I'm using a PCM out of a Tahoe (same part number) and a fly wheel off of an LS2. It all bolts up the same.
The LS6 is an LS1 with a cam and heads. That is the only real difference. Same crank and everything.
I figure I’ll need a tune anyway.
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Remember the member that went through two engines in a short time due to bad fuel injectors. Just saying. Find the cause.
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
That sucks! Was the cam and valve-train stock?

Mine had 130k and very little signs of wear inside. I did use LS7 lifters. I hope that wasn't a bad choice.
small blower cam...lifter mushroomed in head, no noise at all till the oil pressure went to 0 otherwise the motor looked great inside and ran strong ...the stock block machined OK but we decided to go ahead and just buy the new LS6 block for the new build, actually sold my old block to someone who wanted it for some project
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
Remember the member that went through two engines in a short time due to bad fuel injectors. Just saying. Find the cause.
yeah, I think there was more to that story....if you are tuning and its lean as hell you can't ignore that, go on and write it off to faulty software or some crap...we may never know the truth but I find it hard to believe it was bad injectors OCICBW

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Originally Posted by pewter99
yeah, I think there was more to that story....if you are tuning and its lean as hell you can't ignore that, go on and write it off to faulty software or some crap...we may never know the truth but I find it hard to believe it was bad injectors OCICBW

sorry for the hijack
I don’t mind. Hijack away. Hijack has given me good info more than once. Mine is a cracked ring. So I’m betting on a detonation issue. It’s supposedly rare for that particular failure to happen in an LS. I guess I’m just lucky.
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Originally Posted by pewter99
wanna buy a low mile LS6 w/forged internals? needs an intake, new knock sensor plate and some accessories but otherwise good to go...even has a fairly new LS7 clutch
Sounds like a good opportunity to get more power that you are looking for.
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Originally Posted by Vetteman Jack
Sounds like a good opportunity to get more power that you are looking for.
Yep. I’m viewing it that way. Will my 02 LS1 intake swap over?
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The OP has an '02 so the intake manifold, injectors and intake parts are the same as LS6.

BTW Nyt Muves, How you liking C6Z wheels? Any issues?
I just got some black split spoke rims and I am waiting on TPMS to arrive before I get tires mounted. The reason I am asking you is that Mine is a black '02 coupe with a Z51 springs.
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THat sucks big time mate.

For what its worth I used to own a holden commodore (basically a right hand drive Pontiac GTO) with factory ls1. I had a hydraulic lifter fail at around 90k miles on my way home from work one day..valve hit the piston. Engine was toast. Religiously changed oil when required etc.

I guess some engines die earlier then others, even if you do everything right.

rebuild if you got the money, or throw in a used ls1 from a wreck and be on your mary way.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
The OP has an '02 so the intake manifold, injectors and intake parts are the same as LS6.

BTW Nyt Muves, How you liking C6Z wheels? Any issues?
I just got some black split spoke rims and I am waiting on TPMS to arrive before I get tires mounted. The reason I am asking you is that Mine is a black '02 coupe with a Z51 springs.
Love em. Really. I like the stance with them and the handle well. Only drawback is the tramlineing because the fronts are so wide.
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Originally Posted by grasshopper645
THat sucks big time mate.

For what its worth I used to own a holden commodore (basically a right hand drive Pontiac GTO) with factory ls1. I had a hydraulic lifter fail at around 90k miles on my way home from work one day..valve hit the piston. Engine was toast. Religiously changed oil when required etc.

I guess some engines die earlier then others, even if you do everything right.

rebuild if you got the money, or throw in a used ls1 from a wreck and be on your mary way.

Good luck!
Thanks. I will. I love the car. Not ready to let it go.

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Originally Posted by Nyt_Muves
I thought that would be very difficult.
From what I have read, not that difficult. If you replace the 58x reluctor with a 24x (easy to do at the same time as changing out the cam), then it is even easier. A couple of harness extensions, and everything else bolts in.

Here is a full writeup on swapping one into a C5: http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...han-you-think/

The new gen V LT1 though... that is a completely different beast. If my LS1 ever dies, the LT1 is what I will be swapping in.
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If it were me and I had the money I'd go LS3 with a cam swap in it and call it a day

I believe there is even an adapter harness to convert the crank signal into one the LS1 computer can understand, so if you really didn't want to change the reluctor you wouldn't have to.
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Originally Posted by Rob 02
The only difference in a lS1 and LS6 is the cam, heads, PCV and tune. The short blocks were identical for the same model year. Everything bolts up the same either way.

LS3 engines are very similar with only a few minor changes like the cam position sensor location (on the front instead of rear), Larger intake etc. LS1 parts will bolt up to an LS3.
Don't forget that the 58 tooth reluctor on an LS3 needs to be swapped for the 24 tooth gear.


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