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The thing about Corvettes is that the price to fix in even a minor accident can be excessive. My son has a 01 Z06 and he hit a deer on the driver's side front. The deer wiped out the headlight, since his headlights were up. The impact only made the slightest crack on the fender, a scratch in the paint on the hood and a slight ding on the front bumper cover. Body shop estimated damage at $6800. On the car your looking at, If all of the side body panels needed replacement and paint, the cost to repair could easily have exceeded it's salvage value. You need to get original damage report to see what the insurance companies estimate to repair was for. As long as there was no frame damage the car might be a good deal at at the right price. Also do a google search on the vin number you may be suprised what info comes up.
my 98 has a salvage title . It is closing in 100000 miles I've had it 5 years . Made two trips to Pigeon Forge ( 1200 mile round trip ) . I have only done normal maintenance . It runs like a top , everything works .
My 2008 Impala has a salvage title , has 115000 miles . have had no problems with it either .
my 98 has a salvage title . It is closing in 100000 miles I've had it 5 years . Made two trips to Pigeon Forge ( 1200 mile round trip ) . I have only done normal maintenance . It runs like a top , everything works .
My 2008 Impala has a salvage title , has 115000 miles . have had no problems with it either .
I certainly don't think anyone would dispute that fact that there are some great running reliable salvage title cars out there.
That's not the debate. The debate is people asking way too much money for Salvage title cars. I agree with the other poster that anything over about 50% of retail is way too much IMO. Like DDaaryl said at the beginning, I don't think a lot of people know how much salvage title cars can be bought back for and are usually put back together as cheeply as possible. Flood and theft being a different can of worms.
I certainly don't think anyone would dispute that fact that there are some great running reliable salvage title cars out there.
That's not the debate. The debate is people asking way too much money for Salvage title cars. I agree with the other poster that anything over about 50% of retail is way too much IMO. Like DDaaryl said at the beginning, I don't think a lot of people know how much salvage title cars can be bought back for and are usually put back together as cheeply as possible. Flood and theft being a different can of worms.
I don;t think you will find well sorted salvaged titled Z06s for 50% off of a clean title price. I think the number is more like 75% of a clean title price. An '04 with 50k mile is probably worth around $18 - $20k in good condition and a salvaged titled car probably ~$14 - $15k IMO.
I don;t think you will find well sorted salvaged titled Z06s for 50% off of a clean title price. I think the number is more like 75% of a clean title price. An '04 with 50k mile is probably worth around $18 - $20k in good condition and a salvaged titled car probably ~$14 - $15k IMO.
That's all fine and dandy, and hence the they can keep em statement.
Also in my region a clean 04Z with only 50k on it is probably closer to 23k.
Have to do your homework. Verify the reason for salvage title, where repaired & what was repaired. Talk to original owner if possible. Check with your insurance company that they will insure salvage title vehicle. Would not pay more than 70% average retail. Plan on keeping the car forever - difficult to sell as some banks will not finance salvage title vehicles. If repaired correctly, salvage titled vehicles can be a reliable bargain. Your homework is the key. Good luck.
Great advice. Thank you! Definitely going to do my homework and verify everything. I'm just trying to do "pre-homework" to see if this would even be worth it. It's already priced ~50% off market value of an '04 in similar condition and I'd still try to get it for less. Since I've never owned anything LS-based before, I wanted to get a general idea of what I'd be getting myself into and confirm the durability/reliability of the C5Z. I've never been interested in owning a salvaged car, but a good deal and another fun car that won't give me a ton of issues to use to keep miles off my M5 would be perfect for me.
The car was declared a total loss--not worth the cost of fixing it, so pretty extensive damage. Any owner has the right to keep the salvage, most don't because it makes no economic sense. When it's cheaper to buy a running example than to fix a car, typically somebody has to severely cheat on the repairs to make economic sense. Sometimes a desperate shop will agree to a CONTRACT PRICE to repair a vehicle, that means a flat amount. But, often with extensive damage, the adjuster has to come back and write a supplement to the estimate once it's apart and allow for additional previously unseen damage. With a contract price, no more money is coming, forcing cheating on repairs. Some states have outlawed contract price deals due to dangerous repairs. I've seen cars repaired so poorly that the insurer voluntarily paid the insured for the car and sued the offending shop. Keep in mind you're talking about a high performance car! You're walking into a sewer and expecting to come out smelling like a rose--good luck!
Totally understand. Current owner states that the sideswipe repairs happened with the original owner, so I'm giving the benefit of doubt that since it happened when the car was fairly new, that's why the repairs were deemed to costly... Not sure if that's a fair assessment, but it's been echoed in some of the posts/articles/etc i've read through.
I am not a fan of a salvage title unless its super cheap and you know what the damage actually was. re sale value will be low no matter what kind of money you put in it
I agree wholeheartedly. In this case, it would be a cheap buy and if I do get it, I would use it as a DD. I wanted to get a general idea of maintenance/reliability for these cars. Aside from general maintenance, will these cars last 100k-150k miles? I see a lot of FS posts with low mileage Z06's, so it makes me curious if they are built to last?
Is the steering wheel straight/level?
I would also ask him many miles driven since the repair (if any).
And drive it and see if it feels like its “crabbing” (front wheel path offset from the rear wheel path)
then look for wierd tire wear. Bent/twisted frame is going to manifest itself as an inability to maintain a good alignment, and the resultant strange wear patterns on the tires, crooked steering wheel to try and compensate for the alignment being out, etc.
A couple of things to consider...
1) How many miles since the repair? The more miles the better to sort out issues. If the car was fixed then sold and now this owner hasn't driven it much, then there is something going on.
2) A Corvette is a car you want. You don't need it. If your gut doesn't feel right about the deal, it is time to walk. Wait until you find "the one". You'll know when you do An 1.5 HR drive is not a big deal.
Read the stickies on what to look for when buying a Corvette. Salvage title or not the information is the same. Want to know what the current owner thinks of the car? Ask him; if he were to keep the car, what 3 things would he do to it? He won't be expecting the question and will likely be more candid in his response.
1. Definitely good to know and will make sure I get an answer for that.
2. 1.5 hr drive is no big deal at all for a car I know I'm going to get. But it's too long for me to do if i find out that these cars are known to sh*t the bed for any reason (like a known weak point in these cars. e.g. ticking time bomb type repairs). I need another car to help keep miles and preserve my M5. Why not make that other car, a car that I've also always wanted?
I want to get a nice background before I get into this and get a general idea of what I may be possibly getting myself into. Thanks for the advice! I gotta do some digging around here. I'd assume there's a thread of things to test/look out for when checking out a C5Z.
From: Philadelphia PA (Birthplace of the USA, UNESCO World Heritage City)
Originally Posted by AJ M
To add on to my original question....
Are there any big repairs for the C5Z? "Ticking time bomb" type of repairs (e.g. VANOS on BMW's, dropped valves on LS7's, etc). From what I've read, I've just seen normal maintenance with mixed complaints of the tranny and clutch pedal issues.
The only ticking time bomb item is valvesprings, but these are cheap to replace (with the improved design version which won't fail). Other than that, these cars are pretty bulletproof.
Can you insure a salvage in CA? I didn't think so, but I haven't lived there in many years. It'd be a moot point to me anyway; I'm with some of the others who are of the mind that a salvage is no bargain. The only circumstance I can think of for buying a salvage is to part it out if I couldn't find parts I needed elsewhere. Passing Carfax report or no, my rule on a bargain (any bargain) is "never buy someone else's 'headache' ". "Salvage" means the insurance company marked it as a permanent loser.
Yeah, my uncle has bought a few super-bargain salvaged titles and did the work himself to have great DD's. Only reason I'm interested is <60k original miles and it was just body work done. (Of course everything will be verified and double checked)
I'd be keeping this car long term and using it as a daily, so not really looking to make money off of it.
I bought a flood damaged 44k mile '03 Z06 off ebay, sight unseen, back in April. It was a bit of an impulse buy and was extremely risky and dumb to purchase it this way.
Luckily it has worked out OK, I had to address a couple minor things but now everything works as it should and you could not tell it apart from a clean titled one. My plan is to start doing some track days so it made sense to me to go this route as there is a chance I could wreck the car. It is not my DD I insure the car through Haggerty no problem. I paid $12k and probably overpaid by around $1k
If you're OK the the branded title and the price is right I think it's worth checking out. I would want to see photos of the damage prior to the repair. If this car went through an auction site like Coparts there could be pictures still around is you search the VIN.
Here is a site you can do a free VIN check https://www.vehiclehistory.com/
Realize the car will be worth less when you resell it and also many potential buyers will pass on it so it could take longer to sell.
These cars are fairly robust but a few people have had some electrical issues and they can be difficult to deal with so I would check that everything works. Check the AC blows cold and blows out the proper vents. windows , mirrors, power seat, check everything. You can check if there are any diagnostic fault codes set using the instrument cluster. Here is a how to http://www.stengel.net/diccodes.htm
Clutch replacement is about $1500 - $2000 job. The Balancer pulley should be checked, see that it runs true. Leaks around the side door glass drip rail are not uncommon on FRC (mine leaked here and soaked the interior therefore the flood title) Check the headliner around the A pillar and B pillar by the side window, if it had leaked or is leaking still the headliner could be damaged and they are hard to find a replacement.
Good luck.
Thank you!! This is what I was looking for. I'm never one to do impulse buys and that's why I'm trying to get as much info as I can, since I've never even driven a Vette. If I can get this car for a little less than you got yours, I think it would be a great deal for an '04? This is a no flood damage car as well. This would be used as a DD though, but my commute to work is only a mile. So not many miles, but a bunch of short trip miles. If a clutch job is the only big $$ maintenance to worry about, then that's good with me. Typically, how long do the clutches last?
The thing about Corvettes is that the price to fix in even a minor accident can be excessive. My son has a 01 Z06 and he hit a deer on the driver's side front. The deer wiped out the headlight, since his headlights were up. The impact only made the slightest crack on the fender, a scratch in the paint on the hood and a slight ding on the front bumper cover. Body shop estimated damage at $6800. On the car your looking at, If all of the side body panels needed replacement and paint, the cost to repair could easily have exceeded it's salvage value. You need to get original damage report to see what the insurance companies estimate to repair was for. As long as there was no frame damage the car might be a good deal at at the right price. Also do a google search on the vin number you may be suprised what info comes up.
Exactly the reason why I'm even interested in this car. I understand that even minor repairs can be so costly, hence the salvage title. So I'm not going to automatically dismiss is because of that. But I have no prior history with Chevy's, aside from an '04 Z71 Suburban, so I want to know if I'm going to be needing to drop the same money I'm paying for it to do repairs that are common with these cars. But overall, I'm seeing that these cars can be driven hard and last a long time with proper maintenance and want to confirm with the experts here.
my 98 has a salvage title . It is closing in 100000 miles I've had it 5 years . Made two trips to Pigeon Forge ( 1200 mile round trip ) . I have only done normal maintenance . It runs like a top , everything works .
My 2008 Impala has a salvage title , has 115000 miles . have had no problems with it either .
Nice!! That's what anyone could hope for when getting into a salvaged vehicle. What was the reason of the title being salvaged?
I don;t think you will find well sorted salvaged titled Z06s for 50% off of a clean title price. I think the number is more like 75% of a clean title price. An '04 with 50k mile is probably worth around $18 - $20k in good condition and a salvaged titled car probably ~$14 - $15k IMO.
Is the steering wheel straight/level?
I would also ask him many miles driven since the repair (if any).
And drive it and see if it feels like its “crabbing” (front wheel path offset from the rear wheel path)
then look for wierd tire wear. Bent/twisted frame is going to manifest itself as an inability to maintain a good alignment, and the resultant strange wear patterns on the tires, crooked steering wheel to try and compensate for the alignment being out, etc.
Noted and will definitely check for this if/when I check it out. Thanks for the input!
The only ticking time bomb item is valvesprings, but these are cheap to replace (with the improved design version which won't fail). Other than that, these cars are pretty bulletproof.
That's the only thing I've seen on the various youtube reviews of C5Z's. That and the steering column? But I also read that '04's had the updated valvesprings or should those be replaced too?
Confirmation of these cars being bulletproof is what I was looking for as well. A good deal is offset when you have to dump the money you saved right back into the car for repairs
My father bought a salvage theft recovery 2001 coupe for about $11k back in 2006-ish with 50k miles. No problem getting full coverage on it through Ameriprise in CA.