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Old 01-07-2019, 11:56 PM
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I need to pull the door panels on my '02 coupe to fix a lock relay problem. I'm also considering replacing the 3.5" 'twidlers' based on feedback I've seen on the forum. JL speakers have received positive reviews .... but I found one member that complained that the JL volume level did not match the factory units. He switched to JBL units that had lower resistance and was very satisfied. I'm no electronic guru so could use some advice. Maybe just leave everything stock? Id appreciate hearing your experiences.
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Check this Post for first hand feedback on the JL Audio Evolution™ C2 Series 2-way car speakers.

If you're considering to upgrade the front 3½" twiddlers, you should take the opportunity and also replace the 2 rear twiddlers at the same time.

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Originally Posted by jost6453
I need to pull the door panels on my '02 coupe to fix a lock relay problem. I'm also considering replacing the 3.5" 'twidlers' based on feedback I've seen on the forum. JL speakers have received positive reviews .... but I found one member that complained that the JL volume level did not match the factory units. He switched to JBL units that had lower resistance and was very satisfied. I'm no electronic guru so could use some advice. Maybe just leave everything stock? Id appreciate hearing your experiences.
Replaced mine front and rear with Infinity and the change is OK. Better than stock, noticeable but not a game changer. If you are in there anyway, might be worth doing. Easy job and good quality speakers are available.
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Check this Post for first hand feedback on the JL Audio Evolution™ C2 Series 2-way car speakers.

If you're considering to upgrade the front 3½" twiddlers, you should take the opportunity and also replace the 2 rear twiddlers at the same time.
I've seen that thread .... and I think you and I exchanged a PM. Are the JL's the same ohm as factory and is sound output similar? I'm guessing 'yes' base on the positive feedback...... but there is a least one post I found where the owner was not happy so went with the JBL setup. I just want to be sure I know what I'm getting into before ordering speakers. Thanks to all!

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Put these in mine---they are a more efficient 2.2-ohm and sound better than stock. You have to reverse the connections though. ( small is big / big is small )

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My factory radio went out. Replaced it with an el cheapo aftermarket radio and the PAC ROEM-VET1 interface to keep factory speaker setup. Works great. Sound is better than factory radio.
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Originally Posted by jost6453
I need to pull the door panels on my '02 coupe to fix a lock relay problem. I'm also considering replacing the 3.5" 'twidlers' based on feedback I've seen on the forum. JL speakers have received positive reviews .... but I found one member that complained that the JL volume level did not match the factory units. He switched to JBL units that had lower resistance and was very satisfied. I'm no electronic guru so could use some advice. Maybe just leave everything stock? Id appreciate hearing your experiences.
I just finished the doors, I installed an Infinity coaxial 6.5" and an Infinity 4" mid range with a bass block capacitor. Clocked in at 2.6 ohms. I'm going to replace the head unit and add an amp too, but I temporarily wired it into the Bose head unit to test them and was surprised how good they sound. I had replaced the rears earlier with JBL's and quite honestly, I didn't think they sounded much different than the stock Bose, I think you need to upgrade the head unit to get any real improvement there.

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I appreciate the feedback but a few specific questions remain:
What is resistance of the factory 3.5" speakers and are the JL's the same?
Same question for the rear speakers... do JL match factory?
Does the volume of the JL' S (front and rear) match the factory speakers. So do they 'play well' with the 8" subwoofer?
Sorry to be so OCD .... I just want to know what to expect before I start.
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Originally Posted by jost6453
I appreciate the feedback but a few specific questions remain:
What is resistance of the factory 3.5" speakers and are the JL's the same?
Same question for the rear speakers... do JL match factory?
Does the volume of the JL' S (front and rear) match the factory speakers. So do they 'play well' with the 8" subwoofer?
Sorry to be so OCD .... I just want to know what to expect before I start.
The resistance of the JL speakers is 4-ohm while all of the Bose are 2-ohm. Replacing the rear 6-1/2" 2-ohm with the JL 4-ohm is fine due to the size and power handling capacity. Volume level remains nearly the same plus you can use the fader to compensate. In the door I tried the JL 4-ohm but found the JBL 2.2-ohm gave me more volume and clearer vocals since it closely matched the Bose 2-ohm speakers. Since they are both coaxial speakers( the JL have silk tweeters--the JBL do not--can't tell any difference) the soundstage sounds great and the Bose subs just keep handling the lower range. What really waked mine up was adding a JL Audio sub and separate amp in the rear. You will need the Metra adapter kit 72-4568 for the rear speakers. I cut and soldered the front connectors. Good luck.
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Here is my sub & amp -- makes a huge dif in overall sound.
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Originally Posted by lonerider2002
The resistance of the JL speakers is 4-ohm while all of the Bose are 2-ohm. Replacing the rear 6-1/2" 2-ohm with the JL 4-ohm is fine due to the size and power handling capacity. Volume level remains nearly the same plus you can use the fader to compensate. In the door I tried the JL 4-ohm but found the JBL 2.2-ohm gave me more volume and clearer vocals since it closely matched the Bose 2-ohm speakers. Since they are both coaxial speakers( the JL have silk tweeters--the JBL do not--can't tell any difference) the soundstage sounds great and the Bose subs just keep handling the lower range. What really waked mine up was adding a JL Audio sub and separate amp in the rear. You will need the Metra adapter kit 72-4568 for the rear speakers. I cut and soldered the front connectors. Good luck.
Great info. Thank you!

Did you try JBL 6.5" in the rear position?
Does the rear sub setup fit in the rear 'cubby' and where did you get this setup? Looks like a great add.
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Since I started with the JL Audio replacement speakers I did not try a JBL in the rear....just didn't like the sound of the front JL Audio spkrs - thus the 3.5" JBL's. It should work fine though if that is what you would prefer...They re very close to the same timbre. I had a local professional install the amp/sub combo. Routing the bass signal from the head unit to the sub is a bit tricky on the Bose system but I think it sounds great--very strong and clear sound. I'm satisfied with it. At 65 I don't need anymore hearing loss

Oh. and the system sits very nicely in the cubby. I can cover it completely if needed but I usually have it at least half way open to let the heat of the amp out. Plus, if the sub should ever fail(unlikely) it's just an easy switch.

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A good cheap upgrade while your in there is a set of the Kicker CSC35 or DSC35 speakers and the plug and play Metra 72-4568 harnesses. Its a ~$40 investment that makes a decent difference in a crappy stereo.
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I did the JL front & rears with stock radio, not much of a difference of improvement. It was only a few hundred bucks but Meh...........
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Has anyone ever re-used the Bose door subs? I'm wondering if I can just throw them under the seats or something.
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Originally Posted by lonerider2002

Here is my sub & amp -- makes a huge dif in overall sound.
what is this? were did you put this?
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Originally Posted by lonerider2002
Put these in mine---they are a more efficient 2.2-ohm and sound better than stock. You have to reverse the connections though. ( small is big / big is small )

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8MNNT6..._t3_B00009QOTA

I'm thinking I'll try the GX302..... heck, they are cheap enough. I see there is also a 3.5" '3020' model. Any idea of the difference? And what 6.5" model would be best for the rear?

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what is this? were did you put this?
The amp is screwed to a board that is glued to the inside of the rear compartment and the sub itself just sits in the bottom. I can still use the lid to completely cover it. but when I'm listening to it I slide the lid up towards the front to keep the amp cool. Sounds really good in my opinion.
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jost6483 -- Not really--just about any coaxial speaker system will improve the sound because the Bose speakers have no separate tweeters.

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Originally Posted by jost6453
I'm thinking I'll try the GX302..... heck, they are cheap enough. I see there is also a 3.5" '3020' model. Any idea of the difference? And what 6.5" model would be best for the rear?
Considering that the OEM Bose twiddlers are 2 ohms, the JBL GX Series @ 2.3 ohms is a better suited replacement than the JBL Club Series @ 3 ohms. Because of this, they can extract more power from the amps.

Besides that, the GX Series has a soft dome tweeter, which should deliver a smoother sound with a wider dispersion pattern than the Club Series' PEI balanced dome tweeter. Add to that the Harman-Proprietary Tweeter Deflector on the GX Series, that according to JBL "acts as a waveguide, allowing for an angled, rotating speaker, which optimizes the off-axis sound performance. Because all cars are designed differently, this allows impeccable sound to travel throughout all locations in the cabin".

The 5¼" and 6½" from the GX Series should perform a little better at their lower end than the Club Series.

JBL GX Series:
  • GX302 (3½")
    • Sensitivity: 89 dB
    • Frequency Response: 90Hz-21kHz
  • GX502 (5¼")
    • 91dB
    • 65Hz-21kHz
  • GX602 (6½")
    • 92 dB
    • 50Hz-21kHz

JBL Club Series:
  • Club 3020 (3½")
    • Sensitivity: 89 dB
    • Frequency Response: 90Hz-20kHz
  • Club 5020 (5¼")
    • 91 dB
    • 75Hz-20kHz
  • Club 6520 (6½")
    • 92 dB
    • 55Hz-20kHz


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