I am aware that you have stated that you know why it is improving your times, "But I have yet to see any evidence that you really know why the vararam is improving your times."

The closest thing I have seen is ONE post (out of the many times I have asked) where you finally hinted around at something about the shape of the tubing creating a "ram tuning" effect or something of that nature - which is easily disputed since the Halltech produces the same gains in mph, or BETTER, with no such claims and an entirely different approach to CAI.

Hey, you started this one. I was chatting with someone else about my opinions of the vararam. So if you're not a product salesman, then why jump in the thread if you don't want to back up your arguments with evidence?

I didn't name any names - you ASKED me to do so.

To the best of my knowledge, you have answered me ONCE about why you think the vararam works, after my asking (literally) nearly a hundred times - and that was a vague answer in which you spent most of your time telling me that you weren't going to waste your time because I wouldn't understand the answers.

Look at it Ross. I got that information from my own observations combined with the knowledge of the physics of ram-air and what it would ACTUALLY take to create a ram air intake design. You can do a search for ram-air on the internet and you will find, that aside from an occasional sales pitch for some vararam type device, all the information about ram-air is aimed at AEROSPACE design. That's because ram-air doesn't happen until you reach speeds approaching MACH 1. And I'm not talking about Mustangs... ;)

But those websites will clearly detail the necessary shape of a stagnating ram-air intake - and the vararam isn't one.



[Modified by Tom Steele, 7:54 PM 12/4/2002]

 

they built the NSX.... but waaaaaay overpriced.

what about the Nissan Skyline GTR? unfortunately, we dont get to see that one here... wonder how fast that sucker in the 1/4 mile and 0-60

 

For about 75K you can buy a factory built race version of the current 350Z, putting out something like 450hp using a bored out version of the stock motor, weighing less than 3000 lbs.

Mike

 

I was wondering when someone was going to mention the Skyline. I don't know a lot about it except the occasional article and videogame featuring them. It would be interesting to see one over here!

 

About the Skyline...

Not overly impressive according to this page:
http://www.skyline-nissan.com/skylin...ifications.htm

 

Oh yes, I have had that dream. I wake up in a cold sweat. I think it is called a NIGHTMARE though. With all due respect for the car, at $45k in Japan and $90k here - what crack-pipe are they smoking?

 

I have done over 15 dyno runs, over 20 1/4 mile passes, and I have logged enough autotap data to bore the entire group. Trust me, I know exactly what is going on. I just don't feel it necessary to teach you. Just call the manufacturer and ask him what he is trying to accomplish.

I never once made any Ram air or Ram tuning claims. Ram Air is not my game. You have no idea how much MPH a Halltech adds because you've never tested one. Oh I forgot, Ranger runs one in another area of the country on another track in different weather so you know what the product will do. :rolleyes:


Yeah, you think I didn't know who you were talking about?

Sorry, but until you take some real readings off the car (not Predator 'readings') you are still just blowing a lot of hot air. And I am not talking about Ram Air. If you really want to see what works and what does not work meet up with a Corvette club at the track and watch the Z06 cars run. This 'Internet Racing' from different tracks across the country just does not work.


[Modified by rbartick, 10:22 PM 12/4/2002]

 

Skylines are the poopie, but that don't mean much since we don't get em here.

My personal fav is the R32, there were a bunch of different kinds, but the main ones (that shared the same engine) were the R32, R33, R34. To me R33 looks the best, but performs the worst (thats the one in FnF :rolleyes: ). R32 was the lightest, and fastest I believe, and R34 was the heaviest, I still think it looks ugly.

Just like with Vettes they had different types, the GT-R (I'm sure you've seen the stickers and emblems) was like the Z06. 280 claimed HP but it was more like 300HP, 2.6L Twin Turbo, AWD. Responded to mods very good like the FD motor, but didn't blow up.

~500HP was an easy target, and like Supras a big Single Turbo setup would get major HP. They could reach over 1000HP, as good as the Supra. Check out this guys car http://www.exvitermini.com/r33specs.htm ~1,350 BHP. If you go to http://www.exvitermini.com/ There are some dyno runs there. Overall nice car.

But these are all pipe dreams, for anyone in America, getting an R32 for racing purposes, would be less than buying a Z06, but it wouldn't be street legal, but most people like to show off thier cars on the road. MotoRex is just way overpriced. J's Garage is a whole lot better, but they can't make the car street legal.

Used cars in japan are cheap, due to some 2 year thing where you have to reregister it, so loads of fixed up cars are on sale for cheap. But I am fine with the cars we get here.

Also these cars handle real good, not sure if all versions come with it , but they have this little controller thing, I forget the name of it, but you can basically change the power distribution, if you wanted to make it more of a RWD car.


Cliff Notes: Skyline capable of +1000HP. Only available in US if you want to get anally raped by motorex, or are filthy rich. Z06s can still compete with Skylines, but prolly the best competition Japan will have to offer, until they start to use that technology on bigger engines, cuz thier no replacement for displacement.

 

And as I said, I don't think you know WHY the vararam is making it's supposed gains.

You SAY that you do, but you don't share that info with me OR ALL THE OTHER FOLKS looking for the same information.

Basically, it boils back down to, "I know, but I'm not going to tell YOU" every time. Sure you do! ;)

Ranger isn't the only person running a Halltech. In fact, if you look at this forum and others, when a poll is done, there are about 3 or 4 to one Halltechs vs ANYTHING else.

So there are LOTS of numbers to look at - not just Rangers.

But since none of them are YOUR car, they don't count!

 

"No japanese transmission is near the equal of the T56. No powerplant ever put in a production vehicle is the equal of the LS6."

Very, very bold statements. You must not be thinking about exotics when you put the LS6 above any production engine made. And you can't be thinking about mod potential with that statement either, as the 2JZ Supra engine has made 1000 RWHP on STOCK INTERNALS and over 1350 RWHP on a STOCK BLOCK, 6.8s@202 mph drag car, not bad for 183 cubic inches. :cool: But having made that point, the LS6 is definitley one of the best in the world.

As a side note, the stock Getrag (German) 6-speed for the Supra has handled well over 1000 RWHP as well, nobody said Japanese cars have to have Japanese transmissions!

I must agree though, the 350Z just doesn't deliver. :bb Maybe a twin-turbo version with upgraded suspension could compare with the C5 at least, but the current car is way downmarket. At least the japanese sports cars of the early '90s forced the Corvette engineers to get into shape and make the C5 as good as possible to keep up, competition is a good thing.

Now the Z06 sets the standard for other sports cars, hopefully some of the other carmakers will follow the idea of a special edition of their top sports car for diehards-----light weight, no gimmicks, track-style suspension instead of luxo-cruiser, lots of power. An all-time classic formula. :yesnod:

 

Alot of debate on the CAI. I have seen the V-Ram, Halltech mentioned but no mention of the Vortex. Any opinions? Just thought i ask while the topic was hot :cheers:

 

I know for certain what is going on with my car. I just have no desire to teach you. FWIW, no matter what I say you will debate it anyway. That is why I am being quiet about it. I spend hours logging data with my car, analyzing the data, making changes, doing dyno runs, and then testing at the track. I am not going to get involved in a keyboard mechanics debate with you.


First of all Ranger runs a TRIC, a system which is not available anymore. You said other people are trapping over 117 with just a Halltech on a stock Z06. Who are these people? Please point me to an average driver (with skills similar to mine) that traps over 117 with just a Halltech. As you can tell from my slow 60' and 330' times I am no John Force.

Secondly, my point is you cannot really compare runs done on different tracks in different areas of the country in different weather conditions. You need to go down to a track numerous times during the season and watch the same cars run from week to week to see how the products perform on the same track, the same day. I am sure you will debate this and apply some more keyboard racer logic. Good luck.

--rb--


[Modified by rbartick, 12:02 AM 12/7/2002]

 

I had a Vortex on my 2000 coupe and liked it. My only concern with it, and I have NOT tested this - perhaps someone with LS1-Edit or a Predator could - is whether hot air from the radiator could rise into the intake at idle, and raise IAT's from a standing start...

But bang for the buck, it is a good contender.

 

So... Basically, it boils back down to, "I know, but I'm not going to tell YOU" every time. Sure you do! ;)

You already are, have been and you even started this one. Why not show some EVIDENCE that you know why the vararam works in one of these discussions for a change?

That is not what I said. I said there are people trapping over 117 on a STOCK AIRBOX car.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=443993 is one.

 

For the 5th time, LS1Edit is not an OBDII scanner.

 

Correct. I sure do know what is going on. You don't . I am not going to waste time debating my findings with a keyboard racer and a keyboard mechanic.

Why not just call the manufacturer and ask him what he is trying to accomplish? Why not call Cartek and ask them why all of their 10 second heads/cams cars are running the VR? I already know the answer. Because you are not interested in actually learning something. You are only interested in bashing the product.


I am not interested in participating in keyboard mechanics with you. You will debate everything I post and you have zero experience with the car. You even tried to discredit something an experienced tuner (Speed Demon) posted in another thread and you have no idea what you are talking about. You have no tuning experience with this car. No racing experience with this car. You seem to be just interested in bashing.


Different track, different part of the country, different weather. None of these things mean anything to a keyboard racer. Just spend some time at the track with a bunch of Z06 cars and watch how the cars perform with various modifications on the same track, same day. Internet racing ain't worth spit.


[Modified by rbartick, 11:46 PM 12/7/2002]

 

So... Basically, it boils back down to, "I know, but I'm not going to tell YOU" every time. Sure you do! ;)

 

You are boring me and dragging this on. I am not doing to debate this with a guy who basicaly debates for a living. Stick to your speculative/keyboard mechanics and leave the real work to those of us who actually work on cars.

 

:bs

I work on, and have worked on cars. And you know it, but that is the best you can do to try and deflect the obvious. You don't know why, or how, or even IF the vararam works.

If you did, you'd have posted it by now. If not for me, then for the eighty-eleven other folks who have questions or doubts about the vararam.

It's snake-oil. Something that sounds really good on paper, is hard to verify if it did anything at all, and makes the manufacturer a pretty penny. It only helps that a lot of the people who spend the $ on it, can't bear to feel cheated - so they preach it like the faithful on Sunday morning so they can re-assure themselves that what they bought wasn't a scam.

You haven't debated me Ross. To debate, you have to bring something to the argument. All you bring to the "debate" is, "I know why the vararam works, but I'm not telling anyone else."

 

Ok dude you win. I don't know crap. I've already discussed where I've seen better operating conditions, but I guess you just don't remember or you chose to ignore the information.

All hail the Z06 keyboard mechanic!!

:nopity