Don't forget 1993/1994/1995/1996/1997/1998/2001/2002 911 Turbos......... :smash:

 

FYI - those wings have been dyno tested to add as much as 150rwhp with a direct correlation between the size of the wing and the amount of HP added...BEWARE THE WING :nono:

 

I'm personally not too worried about the standard Turbos. They definitely would give a Z06 a great race but I would not get my azz handed to me like going against a Viper GTS with 500+ RWHP or Supra with the same. Compared with the standard 911 Turbo, the GT2 really turns it up a notch where you need at least some good bolt ons to compete with it in an 02/03 Z06. Nothing a 150 shot wouldn't take care of but some of the Vipers out there are wicked fast - Just a few minor mods can get a NA viper over 500 rwhp. There is supposedly a Porsche factory option that adds a little max boost on the normal 911 turbo, bring it up to 465 hp at the crank. That would be a BEAST because it is all wheel drive so could really put it down...

Just food for thought. :cheers:

 

You should be. There was a Porsche event going on the same day as the last NE Corvette Challenge. 2 brand new 911 Turbo Tiptronic AWD cars showed up and made a few passes. They were beautiful cars with an outstanding interior. They were not GT2 cars.

The cars made easy 2.1 60' launches and then flew the rest of the way down the track. They were going 12.1s and 12.2 @ 120 MPH. These cars probably could have gone 11s if they launched harder. They were killing the times turned by stock Z06 cars on the same day.

FWIW, The Porsche runs looked very smooth with an easy launch and no wheelspin at all anywhere. They looked very easy to drive. The Z06 cars (like mine) were spinning, chirping, and are much more difficult to get down the track.

 

What was the temperature like that day? I would think the 911 turbos would turn much better times in the colder weather (worse traction for our cars and the turbo really hauls in the cool air). Are you sure they were stock and didn't have the +50 hp factory option? Some former 911 turbo owners have posted on here before discounting those cars capabilities. Don't get me wrong, on paper they look strong but I guess I'm getting inconsistent information.

I guess my main point was that you could still take em with an exhaust, x-pipe and headers. Whereas the Vipers and Supras have killer mod potential and the GT2 is just that much more right of the factory floor (15% more power than the turbo and less weight). Either way, they are all cool cars.

 

To keep things fair, you need to compare these BPU Supras to a lightly modded Z06 - I would consider cold air box/bridge and headers an appropiate comparison. Our headers on an otherwise stock Z06 have seen as much as 380RWHP. 400RWHP 3600lbs Supra vs. 380RWHP 3200lbs Z06. Hmmm, pretty close. :smash:


[Modified by Godspeed, 12:26 AM 12/8/2002]

 

I saw a race of those cars, although it was '01 Z06 with Stingers and Vortex intake (no headers) which was probably making around 370 rwhp, and the Supra was making about 420 rwhp. It was indeed very close. They raced 3 times, and the Z06 won 2 out of the 3, and all the races were no more than a car length or two difference up to 150 :eek:

 

You have a good chance from a stop but... Don't race one from a roll!!! They absolutely rule from a roll.

 

In stock form the Z06 would
own a TT supra.But finding
one stock is damn near
impossible.
bhamvett

 

Totally depends on how well the car is running that day. They put down big numbers, but they need them given the weight. I am 3-0 in Supra TT encounters, 2 in the C5 and 1 in my RX-7 (prior ride). Two of the TT's were autos and I wasted them (one of which blew a head gasket right in front of me !!!). I ran a 6-speed car from a stoplight in the C5 and had it by 2 cars to 75 when we shut down. All three were confirmed BPU. I've been lucky so far, but a serious BPU++, well tuned, from a roll would be a tough challenge. Nothing a Z06 with 4.10s can't handle though.

 

GodSpeed,
I had that comparison, my lightly modded Z06 vs a BPU TT Supra last week.

I am making only 376rwhp. He had not had his car on the dyno yet. But had mods such as cold air intake, full exhaust, boost controller, custom programming, etc. We raced from a stop, and we both spun through first. In second he was still beside me, but as i approached higher rpm's my back end started breaking loose so i had to let off, shift early to third and lost a car length in process, but as soon a i slammed third i pulled past him and by the top of fourth i was ahead by about 4-5 car lengths.
We pulled off and talked afterwards and he was a cool guy and told me his mods and all that. He planned on converting to a single turbo eventually. Which i'm sure he'll walk me after that. All in all though, it was a fast car, it kept up better then most cars can do with me, and has the potential to be easily made faster. I think it just depends on the mods done to the supra and the driver. Peace :cheers: :cool:


[Modified by Copmagnet, 10:23 PM 12/9/2002]

 

My experience is that stock vs stock the Z06 is going to spank the Supra hard. Modified is anyone's game...

 

This is all very true, and I think Toyota did an amazing job on this car, BUT my biggest problem is Supra owner attitude. As I said, I have several friends with modified Supras. A couple of them are very good friends, but their attitudes all SUCK when it comes to their cars. As a matter of fact, the only Supra owner I have ever met (and I have met a lot of them) that is not a dyno-queen snob is SW. He is one down to earth guy.

 

Well, yes its impressively strong, but in a way it was almost by accident that the motors are as strong as they are, because they basically took one of their cast iron truck motors off the shelf and beefed it up a bit more for turbo use. Its not like they built an entirely new motor from the ground up just for the Supra.

Supras USED to be great bangs for the buck when no one new of their potential (i.e. 5 years ago). Ever since that Fast and the Furious movie, demand for Supra Turbos have skyrocketed, and combined with the limited supply of them, have driven the prices to the point where they're not worth it anymore. You'll be hard pressed to find a Supra Turbo MKIV for less than $20k. That's a lot of dough for a car that's pushing 6-10 years old, with average mileage nearing 100k.

I agree. I've only met one Supra owner in person, and I was SHOCKED at how nice he was. Based on many Supra owners I've chatted with on the net, 90% of them are arrogant a-holes. Maybe it just seems like 90% because they are the more vocal ones, but I must say I've never seen any other car carry such an arrogant bad owner stigma with it. Its really bad.

 

Another Supra Owner here. Selling it to buy a Vette though, just want something not so nuts. My supra currently on pump gas and 17-18psi put down 570 rwhp and 500rwtq, I still have another 12 or so more pounds of boost to go. My car is very very fast but I think most vettes would take me off the line hard, Supras have big traction problems, I can spin the 295 rears at about 80mps on a cold night. I love both Vettes and Supras. But you have to watch out for some supras.

Chris

 

I have spoken with two Supra owners and they both seemed nice. I was considering buying one but opted for the Z instead.

I think the Supra is a really incredible car and is the only Japanese car from that era that still holds up design wise. If the Corvette didn't exist I would own a Supra.

 

Hirohawa.
You make a good point.
But the corvette does exist
and has existed since 1953.
I like the TT Supra's also.
But some owners get on
my last nerve.
bhamvett

 

As the name implies I have one on my 2002 Z06 with most of the bolt on's possible, cams, headers,etc., dynoed my car at a reputable shop in Dallas 582 at he wheels which I thought was impressive, untill one night running through the streets of Lewisville (just outside of Dallas) I saw two Supras just cruising. I pull up next to one looking at three of his pillar gauges, not wasting anytime I drop the clutch step on the gas just enough so he can hear the whistling of the blower. A few seconds pass when the other one pulled next to me leaving me in the middle. So I have both of these cars next to me ready to run when one of the guys said lets go on the 3rd honk. So we're rolling at 30 mph hands sweating becuase I've never run a supra before and also my boy is sitting next to me pumping me up. So finally the third honk comes I take off leaving both of them in an instance. 50mph I see one in my rear view and on the left I guess he missed a gear cuz he was back there. 90mph he's creeing up on me, I swear this thing sounded like a missle. Around 120 r so hes's already a car in front of and pulling, I'm still in it cuz i couldn't believe it. 150 comes and he's 3 or 4 cars in front, so I shut down amazed becuase I just had my butt handed to me. To make a long story short we pulled over to a local gas station, popped the hoods and I saw this HUGE butt F_ _ _ IN turbo. It was a t88 he said, I'm not to familiar on the size of it though but now I see Y. He informed me he had everything done to the car except his block. This thing dynoed 789 at the wheels at 28 psi. SO I get back in the car my friend is riding the supras D_ _ K, I really don't want to hear it but it make sense I probably would have done the same thing. I was so disappointed that I was actually considering trading this thing in for one but some people talded me out of it. So if anyone comes to Dallas BEWARE there r alot of supra owners out here (Supra CLub)

 

There are some pretty fast supras in Dallas, for the most part there are alot of fast Supras in Austin (when they are running) and Houston also. If they start to break boost and it sounds like it is going to suck small animals into the turbo, you are most likely going to get you butt handed to you. Another thing to listen for is single turbo supras are much louder and sound alot different that stock turbos, you just need to hear both you will be able to tell the difference.

Chris

 

Man I never heard anything like that before. It sounded like a plane about to take flight. In all honesty, I'm still debating about selling my car. Some guy did offer me money just the other day. For the amount of money I have invested, I could have bought a Supra, build it, and have 800 or so hp and have money left to spend. In my opinion if anybody in indecisive on what car they should buy Supra or Z06, if you want all out performance Supra is the way to go. If u want comfort, minor bolt ons then Z06 is the way to go. Ive spent so much money into this car and only to be embarresed by something that is capable of doubling my hp goals on their stock blocks.