:cheers:

 

"I pay a huge tax bill with no complaints."

Actually, I would complain! Perhaps it is time to switch accountants! If you are in my area I will gladly find someone to give ya a break!

:seeya

 

Very true.

 

I appreciate the offer but I am happy with my guy. There is not much more he can do. :cheers:

 

Very true. Some tidbits of Corvette foreign made parts:

- Engine block: cast in Mexico
- Tremec Manual Transmission: Mexico
- Z06 wheels: Italy
- Cylinder heads: cast in Mexico
- Engine: Assembled in Canada
- Z06 PBR brake calipers: Australia
- Some electronic components: Asia
- Some electrical components: Germany
- '04 Z06 shocks: Germany

The most American thing about the Corvette is that it's assembled in Bowling Green, KY. And its designed in America by Americans. But beyond that, not much.

 

I have owned a 996 Carerra (2001) and loved the way the car drove. Fit and finish was excellent.. mod capability was non existant or waaayyyy too much money for simple mods. 1400.00 headers that i could make. i was able to drive a 2001 TT for a few days "to make up my mind" and i chose the Z06. the fit and finish you can not argue. What i can argue is the cost of after market parts. not to mention at an average 100.00 hour shop rate they are not an easy car to work on. EVERYHTING is expensive when it comes to German or Italian exotics. Personally the cash is all relative. its obvious No Mercy has the where withal to afford his pleasures and the losses at time of resale.. cause unless you have under a 1000 miles on it the hit is also relative. i believe in driving my cars and i took a 25K hit for driving my 996 4800 miles in a year.. i will never buy another new one unless i have No Mercy's cash... in which one day i will have... for the cash give me a GT40!!!

 

"Explain yourself. What specific suspension design is better in the 911 Turbo vs. the Z06? Name one handling category that the 911 Turbo is "superior" than the Z06 in."

A corvettes susupension does not hold up as well to racing conditions in my opinion. Suspensions of corvettes become loose and need re-adjustment more often. The category is endurance

When I say they handle better, I know that a porche can exit any turn with more speed and precision due to all wheel drive coupled to a superb suspension

AWD makes a difference

"Stock vs. stock, you're wrong - a Porsche 911 turbo will match, but not outhandle a Z06. At 650hp, a Z06 simply requires more driver skill to manage than an AWD 911 turbo does at the same power levels. On a road course with skilled drivers, a 650hp Z06 will be quite a good match with a 650hp 911, even with its AWD vs. RWD - don't forget the Z06 is significantly lighter than the 911."

Very true, a car with better brakes can outrun a car with more horsepower in a road race. I just simply think the 911 takes racing better over time than the ZO6. A good match definatley however my money is on the 911
However a porche and Z06 with 650 horsepower, the porche will kill the Z06 until somewhere in 4th gear or 5th gear in a straight line

the Z06 uses 21 inches of rubber for power

the porche uses im guessing here 21 plus 16 in front, 37 inches of rubber

 

I have to agree here.

 

:skep: I know several people who road race their Z06's very often, and I've never heard of any complaints about the suspension becoming loose or wearing out prematurely. This doesn't make any sense. :skep:

The times on a road course between a 911 and Z06 say otherwise. Saying a car handles better is subjective. Numbers aren't subjective, and they don't lie or exaggerate. ;)

Yes, and so does weight. Don't forget the Z06 does have an advantage in the weight department, which does help compensate for not having AWD on a road course. It's one of the reasons the cars are so closely matched on the road course.

 

No need to argue which car is better the results speak for themselves. http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=2834

BTW:

Corvette Z06:
- Looks better in & out than 911 turbo.
- Handling I'll say is little better.
- Much more affordable car
- Makes heads turn more than 911.
- Engine Sounds better ( at least for me)

911 turbo:

- Inside is to plain and simple design.
- Outside looks little better than inside but not close to the corvette.
- Very expensive for this type of car.
- Over Rated
- Over priced ( oops! I said that already :)
- Ferrari will be my choice at that price, just add 20K more and get a better
looking car.
- 911 turbo should be worth no more than 70K and even then I will pick
the Z06 anytime.


Corvette Z06 an American Icon

:flag

 

Cool story. :thumbs:

Why can't I ever run into something like that on the road? All I ever get is kids in GT Mustangs. Since I did my Vortech, I've been itching to run into some exotic iron. :D

 

Zak: A very interesting read. Thanks for posting. I come back to the fact that the Z06 is so much cheaper than the 911T ($70+K less) and the Viper ($30K). I can't help but think that with just a few grand in mods, the Z06 would have beaten them both in every category. Just my $.02.

 

All you have to do is move to Southern California. You will run into them practically everyday.

 

Totally disagree. I think the Porsche looks better by a long shot. Looks more refined, IS more refined, and the interior is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better. Fit and finish is NO CONTEST. 911 Turbo all the way. As far as heads turning, it's all Porsche 911 Turbo. There are too many Z06's to make it as cool to see one. More affordable? You bet. I'll give you that. It's an awesome car for the performance it delivers (which is obviously why I bought one). Handling better? That's a joke. This is ALL 911 Turbo. I've driven them (and if you haven't, you can't talk. Going by numbers is bench racing garbage. It's HOW it delivers the times, not just the times). The 911 Turbo delivers it's numbers in a MUCH better way than the Z06. It's smooth, effortless, and just a joy to drive at any speed. Extremely stable, etc, etc. This is just a no brainer.

I disagree with all of this. If you truly know the ins and outs of what goes into the 911 Turbo that MAKES it a better car, then you'll understand. The brakes alone are incredible. The engine is magnificant. The looks are classic and awesome. The headlights are awesome. The balance is completely in a different galaxy (it's really that different). The AWD adds SO much to the driving experience. The engine sounds awesome. The feel of the acceleration is unreal (it's different than most cars that turn those times, simply because of HOW it delivers the power). The structural engineering is just unreal.

You have to know the car to appreciate it.

It's a 120k car for a reason. A very justified reason. :yesnod:

 

:iagree:

Also keep in mind that the Porsche has physics working for it. The engine being in the back gives the car something like 30/70 weight ratio. This means that on acceleration, all the weight is planted. On braking, the ratio becomes something like 70/30 instead of a typical car's 90/10, thus allowing for the rear brakes to play a much larger role. So not only does Porsche have legendary brakes, the 911 allows those brakes to work more efficiently.

The downside is taking corners with all of that weight behind you. It's an easy way to end up spinning like a top. But Porsche has pretty much dialed out the nastiness due to electronics and being able to perfect it over 30+ years.

 

Styling is subjective - some people like chocolate, some like vanilla. Is one better than the other? Depends on who wants it. And of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

My opinion on the 911 Turbo is its a great looking car. It does look a little bit like a modern evolution of the Super Beetle (the 911's always had a bit of Beetle in them, IMO), but a cool looking car nonetheless. But I like the look of the Z06 better. The Z06 looks like a badass; the 911 turbo has more of a preppy jock look. It's just not me.

Yeah, they are. So are the Z06's brakes.

Yes it is. So is the LS6.

Same can be said about the Z06, but again, subjective.

Hmmm, last I checked the Z06 had a pretty even weight balance, almost 50/50 front/rear. The 911 Turbo is also pretty evenly balanced, although I think it is a little bit rear weight biased, which, without its AWD system, can be a real handful at the limit. Any RWD 911 owner can vouch for that.

I'm sure it does. But I kindda like the ability to hang the tail out on the Z06 whenever I want.

Sound of course is subjective. This is one area that I think the Z06 wins hands down. I think a 911 Turbo sounds like a farm tractor. I just hate the sound of horizontally opposed engines - they sound too rattly, too clinky, too flat.

As a red blooded American, I just melt when I hear the sound of a healthy V-8, and the Z06 just sounds incredible to me. In stock form the Z06 is close to perfect sounding. With headers, x-pipe, and Borla Stingers, it IS perfect to me. I could listen to the V-8 music all day.

By contract, the sound of boxer engine makes me nauseous :U

Uh, you did say you own a Z06, didn't you? Have you ever gone full throttle to redline with the thing before? :confused: :skep:

Sounds like you bought into Porsche's advertising campaign "there is no substitute". :rolleyes:

They justify their high price tags through marketing and building a brand image, not through building superior cars. They're very good at building that brand image though. You're not the only one they got convinced.

 

I have raced a 911 turbo twice - once in an auto-cross and beat him by a whole second (that's a lot in autocross). Another time against a different 911 turbo was a drag race - once again, I took his nuts! I have a 2002 MY Z06 bone stock (the way it comes from the factory).

 

They aren't as good as the turbo's brakes.

Yes, the LS6 is a great engine. I prefer the 911 Turbo's "feel" of how it delivers the power though, personally.

Fair enough.

It's the way the car feels. Numbers aside...it's the intangible feel of the car. I prefer it WAY more than the Z06. Also, I LOVE the fact that it feels smaller.

Fair enough.

I like the way the Porsche sounds, but I know there are plenty that don't. However, sound is completely outweighed by simply "what the car is" to me. The intangibles alone make it a better car to me (the WAY it drives, the perfect fit and finish, how perfectly tight it feels, how you are positioned driving in the cabin, HOW it takes a turn, how well it's connected to the road, etc, etc, etc.). I can't wait to own one someday.

I'm assuming you mean "contrast"?

Um, yes. I do that all the time, and I take it to the track a lot. It's a badass car for the money (obviously, or I wouldn't have bought it), but it's still not the same feeling as the explosive yet PERECTLY SMOOTH acceleration of the Turbo. I just prefer the way it accelerates. :)

No, it's because they're right. The only thing better I've driven are Ferraris (F355 that I used to own, and a 550 Maranello that I drove). The Porsche is a classy, very well-built, incredible car. I've driven the Turbo many times, and I own a Z06. While the Z06 is an awesome ride (and I LOVE driving it), it's simply not in the same league as the Turbo NO MATTER WHAT is runs. Period. It's not as nice of a car. It's just not.

They build superior cars. As I described earlier, the feel of the car is worth the high price tag to me. It's the perfect blend of street car/track car to me. It's totally, perfectly civilized, runs 11's out of the box (the X50 model), handles incredibly (and is EASY to turn GREAT numbers in), has brakes better than any car made that I know of, a wonderful tranny/shifter, great interior, great design, better solidity than just about anything I know of (you just have to drive it to feel that), etc........I could go on and on.

It's easily worth the money.

It's a better car.

 

This post can go on forever.. there will always be the Porsche crowd... and there will always be the Vette, Viper.... and lets not forget the upcoming GT 40 which is a car that would turn me to a Ford fan crowd.

It all comes down to what we enjoy and i guess most importantly what we can afford.

I don't think ANYONE on this list would NOT buy a TT Porsche if the dollars were not an object.. for nothing else but to say "been there done that" Hell i would snub all y'all if i had a few Dancing Pony's in my garage!!

I for one can say i have had seat time in the Porsche TT and the choice of either ( for 2 days... but it was a fun 2 days!!) and i am driving a Z06. I wish i could afford both.. as i would have the x51 version in Basalt Black please... but i will agree that there is A LOT of hype concerning a Porsche as well... its like buying Levi's that are tried and true... but you can buy a set of Ralph Lauren in the same blue denim that are twice as much and last half as long...

Its all subjective and there is no right or wrong when it comes to performance.. hell we could get into the Ford, Chevy, Mopar debate and have the Mopar nuts knoocking on your door looking for a fight cause you don't pray to the mighty Hemi of old!! LOL

The Porsche will get looks ( although my Z06 idling next to the 360 Modena at Mortons got more looks from the valet crew that night.. its all relative) ... the Porsche has better fit and finish.... the Porsche has better brakes.... ok but look at resale.... unless you wax it and drive it to get the mail you WILL take a BIG hit... ANY exotic is that way... and for the 70+K i save i can build a 427 with FULL Carbon brakes, Penske all around and give Carvaggio a blank Check to give me all the due dads wrapped in fine Corintian Leather!!! and still have money left over to add a set of sweet hoops and maybe even a little custom paint to boot!!

Now how many of you who have a Porsche product have actually looked under the hood and trunk? personally the quality of the products is NOT above the Vette.. it may have the price of gold but they use a Composite intake (1200.00 by the way) like the LSx, typical quality of pieces like in the vette.... 500.00 MAF ( looks very similar to the ls6 ), 600.00 fly by wire TB i could go on and on.. your paying for a NAME AND a RACING PROGRAM!!! only a fraction of the guys who buy them ever take them out of the slow lane... go lurk on the 996 Forum.. its worse than the vette forum!!!! ( I do know No Mercy WILL get his moneys worth!!) 14,000.00 for Carbon brakes? 7000.00 for Carbon Fiber interior trim? 10,000 for the Aero Kit option? 20,000 for the X51 450 HP option? come on!!! unless you have grown up under a Porsche, speak German and have been to Germany and trained to work on them i don't care for them at all... I LIKE to get my hands dirty.. .I like being able to change plugs, FIND them on any Porsche product!! hell i did the heads cam and headers in my car.. I would NOT attemp that in a 996 let alone the TT. you hear about 650HP TT's do a little more research... Gemballa charges 50K for their package, Techart about the same, RUF... get out all your plastic. to put that much power in any TT is more than a simple turbo upgrade to make it reliable... how many of you can rebuild the Boxer engine? i can rebuild an LSx no problem... to make the power in the Porsches you need to HIGHLY modify the crank case as well as the transmission.... big dollars... and that is NOT even including the maintenace at 100+ an hour.. if you don't follow recommended Porsche maintenance chalk up more reslae hit!!) if i had 200k to drop on a tuner Porsche i would be first in line (NOT including the Car) take a look at Excellence the next time your at Barnes and Noble... 2500 to exchange the ECM for 50HP!!! if you can do it GREAT!! i for one like to drive my cars... the way they were meant to be driven AND be able to turn a wrench here and there...

the bottom line to each his own.. there is nothing like a big cube big cam LS6 :lol:


At the end of the day we all belong to the same prestigous money soaking club that drives us for more power, more bragging rights, and better than our neigbors garage club!!

Come on TT i'll play with you!! :cheers:

 

The X51 option is for the non-turbo to my knowledge. The X50 is the upgrade for the turbo.