Well put! 
CLB is not the answer
Pro
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: Denver CO
Originally Posted by ROCKnROLL
Way to go Bob!
I also plan on installing the kit myself.
I thought the "kit" included the harness and the plate?
Give us some info on where you bought it, how much it cost, what's involved in the installation and how long it took you.
Thanks
I also plan on installing the kit myself.
I thought the "kit" included the harness and the plate?
Give us some info on where you bought it, how much it cost, what's involved in the installation and how long it took you.
Thanks
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,315
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From: Near Jacksonville Fl.
Originally Posted by TopCat
Sounds like the way to go. I'd rather pay a little and do it myself than take it to the dealer and have them bugger something else up while "fixing" my car. So Bob, how much for the parts??
Now that may seem to be a lot but consider this, today I am ordering a $375.00 BCM because of the POS CLB.
If you DIYS then make sure you have a service manual and follow the instructions to the T for removal of the steering wheel.
And you will also need a new snap ring for the plate and a new torque prevailing nut for the steering wheel.
I needed to purchase a new wheel puller but they are readly avalible at places like Murrays auto parts or Autozone or the likes, about $12.00.
Actual working time is less then 2 hours but you will need a couple of torx sockets and bits to remove the steering wheel.
It's really not that hard just that you need to take the precautions like disconnecting the batt cable and pull the #25 fuse in the pass footwell and then wait 10 min. before proceding with removing the airbag.
And your right about the dealer screwing something else up every time they touch your car.
Safety Car
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 4,661
Likes: 67
From: Ocean Springs MS
Originally Posted by corvettebob1
Just no problems you have found YET!!!!!
Not all problems throw codes.
Not all problems throw codes.
Racer
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 370
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From: DFW Tx
For all of you with CLB's that are throwing codes or showing the "Pull Key" message,
please read my fix
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=881814
It has worked for me!
please read my fix
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=881814
It has worked for me!
Advanced
Joined: May 2004
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From: cedar rapids iowa
i have a 98 A4 with CLB. I have never had it lock up since the CLB install, but I still have problems with the "10 second" message and the car dying when I put it in gear. I would estimate that every 1 in 10
engine starts will result in the 10 second problem. I have the recall notice and intend to do it. I don't have any special programming in the computer so I'm not worried about that aspect of it.
engine starts will result in the 10 second problem. I have the recall notice and intend to do it. I don't have any special programming in the computer so I'm not worried about that aspect of it.
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 2,082
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From: Louisville KY
Originally Posted by fdxpilot
OK, Bob, we get it. You hate the CLB and blame it for all your problems. Just let the guys who have one and like it alone. We all have an opinion, and you've expressed yours ad naseum. Enough already. If you want to advise on installing your own GM parts, fine. Otherwise, STFU
That's no way to speak to another member of the forum. Some people get a little over zealous on their threads sometimes but they don't deserve that kind of treatment.
Members like you are what gives this forum a bad name on the other forums.
Is that the way you talk to your packages?
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Safety Car
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From: Ocean Springs MS
Originally Posted by ROCKnROLL
Is that the way you talk to your packages?
BTW - CLB installed, removing it this weekend for the recall work and then reinstalling.
Pro
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 726
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From: Denver CO
Originally Posted by corvettebob1
Can't quote an exact price since I also picked up a few other parts along with the kit. But I would guess the list price is going to be somewhere around $100.00.
Now that may seem to be a lot but consider this, today I am ordering a $375.00 BCM because of the POS CLB.
If you DIYS then make sure you have a service manual and follow the instructions to the T for removal of the steering wheel.
And you will also need a new snap ring for the plate and a new torque prevailing nut for the steering wheel.
I needed to purchase a new wheel puller but they are readly avalible at places like Murrays auto parts or Autozone or the likes, about $12.00.
Actual working time is less then 2 hours but you will need a couple of torx sockets and bits to remove the steering wheel.
It's really not that hard just that you need to take the precautions like disconnecting the batt cable and pull the #25 fuse in the pass footwell and then wait 10 min. before proceding with removing the airbag.
And your right about the dealer screwing something else up every time they touch your car.
Now that may seem to be a lot but consider this, today I am ordering a $375.00 BCM because of the POS CLB.
If you DIYS then make sure you have a service manual and follow the instructions to the T for removal of the steering wheel.
And you will also need a new snap ring for the plate and a new torque prevailing nut for the steering wheel.
I needed to purchase a new wheel puller but they are readly avalible at places like Murrays auto parts or Autozone or the likes, about $12.00.
Actual working time is less then 2 hours but you will need a couple of torx sockets and bits to remove the steering wheel.
It's really not that hard just that you need to take the precautions like disconnecting the batt cable and pull the #25 fuse in the pass footwell and then wait 10 min. before proceding with removing the airbag.
And your right about the dealer screwing something else up every time they touch your car.
- TC
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Melting Slicks
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,315
Likes: 17
From: Near Jacksonville Fl.
Originally Posted by TopCat
Good info. Thanks. Read the TSB and GM mentioned the need for a special tool for removing the lock plate and replacing it with the new "cam orientation plate," whatever that is. Quote "failure to use these tools may result in damage to the cam orientation plate, retaining ring or steering column components." Since you've done it, is this a valid concern when making the change? Did you have to rig up a tool to complete this step of the process? Thanks for any additional input.
- TC
- TC
You will need a lock plate depresser to remove the snap ring that retaines it. Then to install the new plate I just pushed it down with the old plate with the depresser.
This lock plate depresser came in the steering wheel puller kit I bought from Murrays, it's a universel kit so it comes with both english and metric adaptors for the steering shaft.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Nov 2003
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From: Atlanta GA
i never had a problem with my column locking up at all. after reading all this stuff on how it will probably lock up sooner or later made me order on. I installed it, and it works perfectly, NO codes, NOTHING. Works perfectly! oh yea, ive got a 97.
Race Director
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From: Fremont Ca
2022 C4 of the Year Finalist - Modified
Originally Posted by lowdowndirty
Sure, the GM fix is desirable. However, when GM has a recall campaign open for only a certain time, some people with potential problems are left out. When my column in my used 99 FRC took a dump, I went to two different dealers. Both said that the recall work had already be done and the campaign had been closed. When I asked what they could do, they both said that I'd have to foot the bill. Needless to say, I ordered the CLB and haven't had an issue yet with MY POS. 
