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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 11:09 AM
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I am going to be needing tires very soon. I have a line on a set of used Supercar tires, but that deal may not happen. What are some other alternate brands I could look at. I would like to find a better price than what I see the F1's priced at. Thanks.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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Check out Toyo T1S Proxes. Love mine and price is reasonable.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 01:38 PM
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Check out tirerack.com. They have a variety of prices and types.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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Kumho ECSTA MX is probably the best bang for the buck tires. Always heard good feedback about those tires.
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I have the Kumho Ecsta MX on my stock wheels for the ocassional daily driver use. I've also used them for a cross country drive and for wet and dry track sessions.
Overall a very good tire, especially for the price. Dry stick, in my opinion, is just shy of the F1SCs but not by much. Performance in standing water is much better than the stock F1SCs.
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Originally Posted by Subdriver
I have the Kumho Ecsta MX on my stock wheels for the ocassional daily driver use. I've also used them for a cross country drive and for wet and dry track sessions.
Overall a very good tire, especially for the price. Dry stick, in my opinion, is just shy of the F1SCs but not by much. Performance in standing water is much better than the stock F1SCs.
I have heard others say good things about these tires. I am going to try and get a price. Thanks.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Aught
I am going to be needing tires very soon. I have a line on a set of used Supercar tires, but that deal may not happen. What are some other alternate brands I could look at. I would like to find a better price than what I see the F1's priced at. Thanks.
Bob,

You might want to read this comparison. It is especially relevant because they used C5s. The three tires tested are considered to be the best tires for a C5 and more than one Tirerack specialist has tld me that these three are a step above Kuhmos. The added bonus of having Goodyear GS D3s is that they are made right here in the USA. I recommend them highly.

Here's the article:

"Productreview: F1 GS D3
By Dan Barnes
Photography: Dan Barnes

Designed in Europe, the Eagle F1 GS D3 is Goodyear's "first truly global product," and its first tire aimed at the maximum-performance tire segment. The Eagle F1 GS D3 targets sport compact and tuner vehicles, and follows Goodyear's traditional emphases of maximum wet performance and good, all-around driveability. Goodyear is producing the Eagle F1 GS D3 in 39 sizes, from 15 to 21 inches.
The Eagle F1 GS D3 has internal construction features expected from the latest maximum-performance tire, including high-tensile steel belts, spiral-wound cap plies for excellent roundness and high-speed durability, high ply turn-up for strong sidewalls and quick response, and a rim flange protector molded into the sidewall.

It's the tread design that sets the new Eagle apart. It's divided into three zones; a solid center rib for good steering response is connected to shoulders with large, solid tread blocks by a series of power transfer bridges. The latter are part of what Goodyear calls V-TRED. The diagonal grooves are three times the length of the contact patch, helping evacuate water and avoid trapping air, thus reducing noise. Goodyear refers to the tread compound by the AAtrax moniker, emphasizing the tire's AA UTQG traction rating.
We sampled the Eagle F1 GS D3 at Goodyear's proving grounds outside San Angelo, Texas. The 7,250-acre facility has 58 miles of roadway with 53 different surfaces. There we witnessed demonstrations of wet-traction testing with a pickup truck and trailer test rig, as well as the phosphorescent hydroplaning test made famous in Aquatred commercials. The latter can be done at speeds approaching 200 mph for racing applications. We also drove the new Eagle F1 on a dry-handling loop in 2002 Audi A4 sedans. At moderate to high slip angles, the Eagle F1 felt like a good, ultra-high-performance tire, but it does make more noise than most tires in the maximum-performance category when cornering loads rise. The grip-slip knee in the load/slip-angle curve was very gradual. That made the tire extremely forgiving, but it also made it difficult to decide how hard the tire wanted to be pushed for best speed. Overall, though, the strongest impression was that the Eagle F1's capabilities were well beyond those of the stock Audi's suspension, and a complete evaluation would require a car with more aggressively tuned dynamics.
For evaluation on its Vehicle Dynamics Area, flooded to 0.050 inch with water, Goodyear provided three convertible Corvettes equipped with automatic transmissions. One Vette wore Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3, one wore Michelin Pilot Sport and one Bridgestone Potenza S-03 tires. Though the cars were theoretically identical, they were rentals and could have had some differences.
In a braking test, the numbers indicated the Michelin third, Bridgestone second and Goodyear first, inverse of the order in which we drove them. Interestingly, we didn't feel the ABS pulsing for the last third of the stopping distance with the Goodyear.
On the wet autocross, journalists were firmly instructed to drive in second gear with the Traction Control System on line. The Goodyear worked well and showed a gradual, forgiving nature. The tire was also well matched to the Corvette's TCS, which intervenes very late, and allows the driver to get sideways. The Michelins slid more and sooner than the Goodyears, and the car was a bit tail-happier. The Bridgestones slid the most."
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I just priced out a set of Toyo Proxes T1-S: front 165.00, treadware rating 280, traction AA, temp A, rear 230.00, same ratings. I think I will be getting these.
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If I wasn't sticking with runflats, I would definitly get the Goodyear GS-D3. Everything I've read in researching tires, and everyone in the know that I spoke with all agreed that it's the best. Pricey though at $268 each per rear and $187 for the fronts at TireRack.
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Support your fellow American workers...buy the Goodyears
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Originally Posted by Subdriver
I have the Kumho Ecsta MX on my stock wheels for the ocassional daily driver use. I've also used them for a cross country drive and for wet and dry track sessions.
Overall a very good tire, especially for the price. Dry stick, in my opinion, is just shy of the F1SCs but not by much. Performance in standing water is much better than the stock F1SCs.

Just got my first set of Kumho Ecsta MXs Thursday. So far they're great.
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I have the Nitto 555r Extremes...and I am very happy with them. Of course I was looking for a good combination of wet and dry traction at the front, and superb dry traction at the rear...so I have the Extremes at the front, with DR's at the back.
I love 'em!!!
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Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE...2001
I have the Nitto 555r Extremes...and I am very happy with them. Of course I was looking for a good combination of wet and dry traction at the front, and superb dry traction at the rear...so I have the Extremes at the front, with DR's at the back.
I love 'em!!!
I ended up on an SVT site and a few folks were running Nitto's and were happy with them. A few brain-deads bitched about the F1's. Prolly 6cly rustang posers. I think I have settled on the Toyo's.
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Bob forgot to mention he needs Z06 sizes. Do the GSD3s come in Z size?
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No, must've been a senior moment......
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I have them in my tirerack.com cart and plan on buying the GS D3 once I retrun from depployment. What brake pads do you guys recommend?

Micah
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Originally Posted by jmzvet
Bob forgot to mention he needs Z06 sizes. Do the GSD3s come in Z size?

No. I was going to change to Z06 wheels but didin't because it really limits your tire choices. To my knowledge only the Goodyear Supercar and Michelin Pilots are made in those sizes.
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Originally Posted by ACELR8N
No. I was going to change to Z06 wheels but didin't because it really limits your tire choices. To my knowledge only the Goodyear Supercar and Michelin Pilots are made in those sizes.
Nope. Toyo, Kumho are two companies that I researched. There are others, pricey though. Falken, a cheaper tire, makes them for the front, but not the rear. I'm not going to mix manufacturers. Toyo is the way to go for me.
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I take it you know that the people who designed the Goodyears in Europe, as stated at the top of this thread, are actually Americans who are there on vacation???

Or, are tire designers not considered workers?
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