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My friend just received a ticket for running a red light in Hollywood. He had both his front and rear plates on and was nailed by the intersection camera when he missed clearing the amber by .009 of a second. He was not speeding. The only picture and record they had was of his front license plate. Fine $340. Fix it ticket for not having a front license plate would have been $10. And, as another member mentioned, the plate is a great target for radar. With the constant addition of cameras in more and more places, along with the great amount of revenue they produce, I believe the emphasis to enforce having a front plate will become greater.
BBIW: 1984 was 20 years ago.
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for all the bad stuff that is still out there everyday pulling someone over for no frnt plate is a waste. Its not to protect and serve its to pull over and generate revenue. When all the crack heads and $hit are gone, then I think they should worry about something as small as that.
Some states have had the front lic. plates repealed...Ohio I think is one of them (?).
I am curious if this is true about Ohio. If so I am going out and taking mine off tonight. Does anyone know, I would call the DMV but do not like holding for ten minutes.
"It boils down to if any of us in LE really wanted to be loved we'd have been firemen instead!"
I love this members attitude, he is hated and knows it. That is great, at least you can stare reality in the face with confidence. Sounds like from the rest of your post if your car is stolen it would be better to run without your front plate. That way a police officer would be more likely to pull over the unsuspecting car theif. By the way Eddie44 that is a super nice looking vette, I like how the convertable top contrasts with the color, almost makes me wish I would have went vertte instead of a coupe. I drag race so I wanted the coupe. The car does look better with the plate off I truly hope Ohio changed this rule. I am too big of a chicken to take it off, also I am extremely unlucky when it comes to encounters with my beloved local police man. I would probably end up getting shot for resisting arrest. To the original post I wish you luck, keep running with the plate off, I would consider it a peaceful protest of this unjust law. It is in this way the world changes for the better.
Last edited by shurite44; Oct 9, 2004 at 08:58 PM.
Not meant to be negative just fact! Cops are always the azzholes and Firemen are the good guys!
You know I love you guys!
No, that's not right Eddie. Cops ARE loved by millions. We're just not the ones you see on a daily basis! It's only the people who think cops are azzholes that you usually do business with!
Here's to you and your fellow officers! Thanks for all you do!
I respect our LEOs for the work that they do (I almost decided to be one myself). Like all things in life...there are endless rules and boundaries set by a few and imposed on the masses. I saw this post on another thread and really appreciated the message......I think it takes all types to live free and stay free.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man"
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for all the bad stuff that is still out there everyday pulling someone over for no frnt plate is a waste. Its not to protect and serve its to pull over and generate revenue. When all the crack heads and $hit are gone, then I think they should worry about something as small as that.
I absolutely love this arguement. "Why are you stopping me? Why dont you go out and catch a real criminal?"
I know when I see somebody commiting a "minor" traffic or equipment violation I simply use my ESP to read their minds and my x-ray vision to search their car to make sure they arent "hardened" criminals so I know if I should stop them or not.
Here is a news flash. Thousands of arrests are made each day on people with warrants, guns, drugs, ect ect.... and the arrests were made as the result of traffic stops for "minor" violations.
I would bet you that there are 100's of you here that would be screaming bloody murder if your Vette (minus the front plate) was stolen and the Cops didn't stop it. We'd hear "why didn't those lazy doughnut eating cops stop the crook?" We'd hear "that lousy son of a b drove by five of them, why didn't they stop him and run a check?"
It boils down to if any of us in LE really wanted to be loved we'd have been firemen instead!
Having spent 27 years in law enforcement, I have heard everything, and have been more then fair with all my contacts, but, this complaint is frivolous and worthy of no sympathy.
A cop's job is to uphold the law...not necessarily obey it.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man"
~ George Bernard Shaw [/QUOTE]
I love this quote, it takes fortitude to be an unreasonalbe "pri%$", I know because whenever I have been one my world seems to change for the worse. I hope Bernard had more luck. I still think everyone but me should start running with the front plate off and try to change this unjust law.
With a lot of cities now installing Red-Light Runner Cameras at various intersections...the front plate issue will never go away...and with the C6 owners who definitely will not place a plate on their vehicles (GM did not provide an area to place it that doesn't detract from the front end look)...the police will now definitely be out in force to check on Corvettes and their front plate compliance (obviously in states that require it)...just a fact of life.
I don't disagree with your comments concerning "leeway," and 56 in a 55 zone, but my point is, it is against the law to drive without a front license plate in his state. He admits to pushing his luck for 5 months knowing that it is illegal. Now granted, as I said it may be petty, but it still is legal
So my point is: is you're going to play, you may have to pay. So, his option is to put on the plate and take the petty stop out of the mix, or face the ramifications for not abiding by the law...
Remember also, that Troopers spend the majority of time on the highways and they are tasked with traffic enforcement only in many states...
While earning a degree at a major university, I was priviledged to know two full professors in Psychology, both of whom were active major city police reservists. Both had interest in and studied police officers. Their interest was based on why anyone would take a dangerous job,near military levels of disciplinary nonsense, and lack of a significant career path for such low pay. As reservists they found it was due to three things 1) controlling power (giving more economically and socially powerful civilians orders and being able to do so with arrogance), 2) cowboyism (carrying a gun and having the right to use it ), and 3) testosterone thrills (driving fast and recklessly, beating up people with nightsticks, gang tackling suspects, etc.). In short, a teenage boy's dream. And both found they loved being reservists for the same reasons.
Now all of us who didn't just fall off a turnip truck know that the vast majority of police officers eventually succumb to the allure of easy money and soon their law enforcement career becomes a very valuable career. They grow up and wisely give more consideration to keeping their career hassle free, and eventually lose the teenage thrill seeker mentality.
Unfortunately, those working traffic violations are the newbies and the hardcore teenage bullies (you don't make a killing on traffic fine bribes).
Do I respect traffic officers - NO, I always see them as uneducated, immature bullies. However, I do try my best to avoid them and its now been 16 years since my last ticket.
I would consider it a peaceful protest of this unjust law. It is in this way the world changes for the better.
To change unjust laws and make the world better, you might want to start with something a little bit more noble than front plates on a Corvette. You will probably get more sympathy attacking world hunger, tobacco companies and their lobbyists, lack of health care, carcinogens in the air, etc.
If you think society's worst problems include the requirement of a front plate, I would like to come visit your home planet someday.
While earning a degree at a major university, I was priviledged to know two full professors in Psychology, both of whom were active major city police reservists. Both had interest in and studied police officers. Their interest was based on why anyone would take a dangerous job,near military levels of disciplinary nonsense, and lack of a significant career path for such low pay. As reservists they found it was due to three things 1) controlling power (giving more economically and socially powerful civilians orders and being able to do so with arrogance), 2) cowboyism (carrying a gun and having the right to use it ), and 3) testosterone thrills (driving fast and recklessly, beating up people with nightsticks, gang tackling suspects, etc.). In short, a teenage boy's dream. And both found they loved being reservists for the same reasons.
Now all of us who didn't just fall off a turnip truck know that the vast majority of police officers eventually succumb to the allure of easy money and soon their law enforcement career becomes a very valuable career. They grow up and wisely give more consideration to keeping their career hassle free, and eventually lose the teenage thrill seeker mentality.
Unfortunately, those working traffic violations are the newbies and the hardcore teenage bullies (you don't make a killing on traffic fine bribes).
Do I respect traffic officers - NO, I always see them as uneducated, immature bullies. However, I do try my best to avoid them and its now been 16 years since my last ticket.
This has really gotten off topic. In my world I have never seen the "majority" you speak of succumbing to the lure of easy money. But from your previous post's I can see why you have this belief based upon some very bad experiences you've had. Congratulations on not getting a ticket in the last 16 years. I hope that in that last 16 years the officers on patrol in the Newport AR area are better educated and don't have to depend on "bribes". As the 4th generation in my family to work as a PO (father - grand father - great grand father all having served the Arkansas State Police) I can attest to the fact that none would ever consider being a bully, on the take, or involved in any other criminal activity. Driving a Vette does not make us snobs, drug dealers, consistent speeders or lawbreakers. Let us not judge all. Heres to you Bro Stay safe
While earning a degree at a major university, I was priviledged to know two full professors in Psychology, both of whom were active major city police reservists. Both had interest in and studied police officers... As reservists they found it was due to three things
Now all of us who didn't just fall off a turnip truck know that the vast majority of police officers eventually succumb to the allure of easy money and soon their law enforcement career becomes a very valuable career.
We are all impressed that you: 1) earned a degree; 2)went to a major university; and 3) knew [/B]full[B] professors who were reserves that studied police officers.
Has it occurred to you that the professors were not really studying officers, but more likely the gullibility of their students. They are probably still laughing about some of the things undergrads will believe. Of course, they probably thought that eventually the students would grow up and figure out that people become officers for almost as many reasons as there are cops.
To change unjust laws and make the world better, you might want to start with something a little bit more noble than front plates on a Corvette. You will probably get more sympathy attacking world hunger, tobacco companies and their lobbyists, lack of health care, carcinogens in the air, etc.
If you think society's worst problems include the requirement of a front plate, I would like to come visit your home planet someday.
I'm always amazed at how some people after getting stopped for no front plate (in a front plate state), feel they have been wronged. It's not the Officer's fault your state has this law! Get involved in changing the law and not in bad mouthing the Officer's. You knew the law before buying the car, so it's your fault for not putting the plate on the car. Just because a person doesn't agree with a law doesn't mean they shouldn't obey it. Jeez.
Statements about Officers being bored and having nothing better to do or going after petty infractions vers felonies are so rediculous. The Police can't be everywhere but, I know of none that would pick a front plate violation over a felony stop.
I see two choices that we all have: 1) Run with a front plate or 2) Don't and be prepared to pay fines. But don't blame the Police, for doing their job, that just isn't cool.