Nice try, The Z06 killed it when they were rolling. That is the real and only indication of HP. Out of the hole drag racing is 100% driver skill and an automatic driver is going to have a big advantage over a 6-speed Z06 driver. Stock for stock the stock C6 cars are losing to the stock Z06 cars with like drivers.

You are starting to sound like a troll in this section.

 

An automatic may have a slight advantage off the line but I already pointed out that the Z didn't make any gains on the C6 in the drag. So by your own admission after they were rolling they both seemed to accelerate about the same. I only said they were comparable! I already pointed out that the automatic was an issue from a rolling start. I already pointed out that this whole thread is nothing but sour grapes. Grow up, it's called progress.

I'm only trying to make you guys hear how ridiculous you guys sound bashing a car that's comparable to yours for less money. I endured the same bs when I first purchased a new 84. I was snubbed by all the C3's. Then in 92, I was snubbed by all the non-LT1's. Then in 97, the C4's did the same. Get over it already. There are things I don't like about the C6 too but let's discuss those issues without bashing the whole car and its obvious strengths.

 

The worst thing about the next ZO6? The fact that it will supposedly be called a ZO6. If our car was called a ZR-1, that'd be messed up and there'd be constant arguments about who has the "real" ZR-1. Now we get a different chassis with a different motor, yet it has the same designation? That's not right. GM should have dug another set of letters out of the archives for it.

 

It does not work like that in drag racing. I think you are missing the whole traction issue here. I guess it depends on your definition of “comparable”, but IMO they are not comparable.

Take a look at all of the 1/4 mile times reported by stock C6 owners. The C6 is only a few tenths quicker than a stock LS1. I never once bashed the C6, I am just discussing one aspect of the car which is acceleration times.

 

wait wait.. the c6 got the head start from a stop and I think that's the only reason why the c6 won. And it will depend on drivers. The guy in the z06 was probably not shifting as fast as the auto tranny did. All i have to say is the c6 took of first off the line so it wasnt a fair race. Autos are more consistent off the line and you cant miss-shift.

 

Gotta remember--the term "Z06" as a performance model indicator did NOT start with the 2001 C5.........that 2001 'borrowed' the name from the 1963 Z06...................as long as it is used to indicate a performance model the term is justly applied to C5/C6/C?

The 2006 Z06 will be a great car--just not the look I like, thus the 'late' purchase of the 04 knowing what was coming down the road--there will always be something better, newer, faster

David
04 Z06 Silver/black-red

 

The video clearly showed that after they left the line, neither one of them was able to out-accelerate the other. I am well aware of what drag racing is all about, I did it semi-professionally for years. If anything, the Z had an unfair advantage over the automatic in my opinion. Not to mention larger tires and more gears.

 

 

 

I guess you guys have a lot to learn about dragracing. Also, get some glasses and review that dragrace video. We're talking about neck and neck acceleration from two COMPARABLE cars. The Z may very well beat the C6 every time but they are CLOSE and the Z has a MN12 versus the C6 A4. A clear advantage. 100% skill??? I guess that means I might beat your Z with my SUV. It's an automatic.

I can show you in-car video of me lapping a Z16 at the track. Does that mean my stock coupe is faster? NO. You're basing your whole theory on one race and assuming that the Z16 driver is a total idiot. I wonder if he's been following this thread?

 

Why is this so important to you? There is no doubt that the C6 is an evolution of the Corvette breed and it may very well be a better overall car than a C5 Z06. I have no reason to doubt that there are many technical advances in the C6 and I personally like the way the C6 looks a lot. I think the C6 is a great car.

The one fact that remains is the stock C6 does not accelerate as hard as a stock C5 Z06. This is just one aspect of the entire package and that may not be very important to everyone. Check the C6 tech section and look at what the C6 owners are running. Compare that to the times in this section and it is easy to see that the C5 Z06 runs a lower ET and higher MPH. I personally compete in the Corvette Challenge and I have seen C6 cars run down the track on the same day as stock Z06 cars. The C6 is not as quick.

Like I said before, acceleration is just one aspect of the entire C6 package. The fact that a Z06 may beat a C6 off a light may not be a deal breaker for someone who wants a C6.

 

rbartick,

You hi-jacked my post.

This was ALL about the FUN factor. It's more fun driving the raw, edged Z06 than the C6. I owned both the cars. Did you? I just sold my C6 w/z51 (stick) and got myself a new 2004 Z06 CE. (traded my 2003 Z06 for the C6!)

GM has refined the C6 too much. It's NOT as much fun. It's a GM caddy car now.

The c5-z06 will become a classic.

I didn't enjoy the C6. I also think that since the new C6-z06 will be based strongly on the C6 it might not be as raw either.
-Bill.
BTW It's ok to hi-jack my post, just bringing it back to my original topic.
Cheers!

 

Right On!!

 

The new one should be called the ZL-1.

 

 

IS GOING TO BE a sticker of $70K all day long, and of course the first year the dealers will want $5k Over sticker!!!! I'll wait until the 2nd or 3rd year C6 Z06 is out, has been refined and kinks worked out, HP is up over the first year, and i can get a nice used one with 10K miles on it for 20K less than sticker!!!!!

 

Hope it still has the column lock issue - call me a traditionalist....

 

 

 

People should take fact for what it is.

The similarities between the C5 Corvettes and C6 Corvettes are in name only -- "Corvette".

The fact is the C5 and C6 are two different cars/Vettes.

The C4 and C5 are two different Vettes. Same with C3, etc.

That being said, previous year Vettes were built as their own platform, whereas the C6 shares the platform with the Cadillac XLR.

The Cadillac XLR was also developed before the Corvette was finished being developed.

So what's my point?

I think if people look at the facts, the C6 Corvette is a platform shared between two companies with different market segments (Chevrolet as performance oriented and Cadillac as high-end luxury oriented).

It shouldn't be any surprise to anyone how the C6 Corvette feels, looks, handles, etc. as compared to previous year Corvettes. Neither Cadillac, nor Chevrolet (at least at this time) are interested in developing a car platform that feels, looks or handles like previous year Corvettes.

Cadillac's use of the platform is for a sport roadster (the XLR) that's $70k. Cadillac owners would complain (and the press would bash the XLR) if a $70k luxury Cadillac roadster felt like a Corvette.

Cadillac also wasn't going to drop their car to the ground to suit the Corvette, so in turn the new Corvette sits higher off the ground.

The C6 Corvette also needed to have several other modifications done because of the XLR -- for instance the steering box was moved forward in the C6 Corvette to accommidate the Northstar motor (although there's no Northstar motor in the C6 Corvette).

Anyway... the list goes on as to the design decision compromises that were made.

Take it for what it is. The new C6 Corvette is a shared platform with Cadillac's XLR, in turn the C6 Corvette will always have influences from Cadillac's decisions -- ride, comfort, sound, etc., etc., etc.

One way to put it now is... the Corvette is now married -- married to the XLR -- in which case, the Corvette often times needs to get permission from the XLR before it can do something, and vice-versa.

No different than any other typical marriage -- compromises, constant companionship, always having to answer to someone, etc. The Corvette is not free to do whatever it wants anymore, like the Corvette used to do as a bachelor.