Just got a ticket
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
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is right...I don't "sir" anyone. Usually all I'll say is "yes", "no" or "I disagree". I may say yes officer, but that's about it. I'm sure most LEO's can see right through the phony "yes sir, no sir" nonsense. They probably get a kick out of some guy who they know probably can't spell the word sir falling over himself acting like the LEO is suddenly his commanding officer
I learned a long time ago that it's best to say little if anything. One or two word answers at most. Save the dialog for the court and make sure you're prepared. I've fought three tickets in my life and won them all.
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St. Jude Donor '03-'04
While I was in prison, I could NOT find one single person who was guilty. Atleast that's what they all said..
It is funny how selective memory works when you get caught.
It is funny how selective memory works when you get caught.
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From: Machine Silver Z06 The Golden State......... Bay Area
St. Jude Donor '05
Hey, you got off light don't sweat it. But it's cool to vent. I know what you mean about "rolling out of the car" I'm up in NorCal and I've seen some real "porkers"' up here. Aren't they supposed to pass a fitness exam from time to time. I know they have plenty that could pass for a poster Marine but the porkers are pathetic.
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St. Jude Donor '11
Originally Posted by blackbelt
Well coming done the road come to a stop light. Turns green and I go. Start to get on it then realize i'm about to pass speed limit so i let off. I ended up hitting about 60 maybe a hair over. So than i just start crusing and sure enough see the light and hear the sirens. Good ol CHP. After he rolls himself out of the car(literally) He asks me whats up with spinning the tires. 
I ask spinning the tires? "Yeah are you trying to show off or what" is his response. Well I know i was speeding as speed limit is 55 but i know i wasn't spinning the tires. He goes on to tell me he "heard" them didn't see it but heard it. Then goes back and writes me a ticket for no front plate. 
he says "do your parents know you have the car." " I am going give you a verbal on the tire spin and a ticket for no front plate. Don't let me catch around here again I won't give you the same break" What ever now i have to find the dam plate, get it signed off and then take it off. I don't get it I supposidly spun my tires and he just lets me off. Funny thing is i know when i spin the tires and they were not spinning. Oh well. Thanks for listening.
I ask spinning the tires? "Yeah are you trying to show off or what" is his response. Well I know i was speeding as speed limit is 55 but i know i wasn't spinning the tires. He goes on to tell me he "heard" them didn't see it but heard it. Then goes back and writes me a ticket for no front plate. he says "do your parents know you have the car." " I am going give you a verbal on the tire spin and a ticket for no front plate. Don't let me catch around here again I won't give you the same break" What ever now i have to find the dam plate, get it signed off and then take it off. I don't get it I supposidly spun my tires and he just lets me off. Funny thing is i know when i spin the tires and they were not spinning. Oh well. Thanks for listening.If I was the cop I would have given you a ticket for being a young Vette driver.....
Take a picture of the tag on the front of your Vette to court and tell the Judge that you are at the mercy of the court and you will keep the front tag on and the Judge will dismiss the case...thats what I did and thats what the Judge did....
And just keep the damn tag on the front or you will for sure get another ticket and it will not be dismissed...
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St. Jude Donor '11
Originally Posted by eamador11
whats th epoint of a front plate, they are lucky if they can make out the rear plate when you drop the hammer on them!
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I live in FL and we aren't required to have a front plate. In states that it is required, why not have it on? You're just asking for a ticket. What's the big deal?
If you had your front plate on either you wouldn't have gotten any tickets or if you got the ticket for spinning your wheels--which you didn't do and more importantly he said he didn't see--you could beat that in court.
If you had your front plate on either you wouldn't have gotten any tickets or if you got the ticket for spinning your wheels--which you didn't do and more importantly he said he didn't see--you could beat that in court.
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Instead of bad mouthing the officer, I think you should be thankful he let you off light! Exhibition of speed is a misdeamenor in California, and the DMV will suspend your driver's license for that one. You admit to going "over the speed limit" and not having a front plate. Those sound like valid vehicle code violations to me. Sound like he was doing his job. What's the problem?
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Exhibition of speed in California, VC 23109 is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in the county jail. This is the same penalty for DUI. The consequences are similar and dissimilar, however.
For example, 23109 is not priorable as a DUI is. No mandatory school for speed exibition. However, both are 2 pointers on the DMV record. Both raise insurance premiums.
As a criminal defense attorney for 28 years, and after 4 Corvettes, I have the following advice:
Be polite with the cops. Arrogance, anger and other emotions will not help. I agree with the earlier given advice to say as little as possible. However, I see no problem with pleading your case on the spot in a business-like way. I agree that the use of the "sir" word is unnecessary.
Always post your bail or appear in court and demand a trial. Always appear at that trial. As you have heard, the officer may not show up. Don't let the judge postpone/continue the case without objection if the cop fails to appear. Do not feel embarrassed or fearful of objecting to a continuance in court if the cop fails to appear.
Always read the Vehicle Code sections alleged to be violated. Reckless driving, for instance, requires proof that the driver deliberately drove a vehicle with reckless or callous disregard for lives or property. Accordingly, driving at a high rate of speed does not necessarily qualify for reckless driving.
If one breaks traction, that does not necessarily equate to exihibition. Gravel or unusual or wet conditions can cause this. I believe a judge would acquit any of us who present evidence that the wheel spin was caused by other non-deliberate conditions.
If alcohol is in your system, you should not plead your case to the cop. Say as little as possible, don't breathe on the officer, and don't slur your words. Don't deny consuming alcohol, if asked, if you have any reason to suspect the officer can smell it. Remember, alcohol does not smell. The additives have odors. Especially beer.
There is nothing illegal about "drinking and driving." It is unlawful in California, however, if you have or allow an open container inside the vehicle. It becomes illegal (DUI) if the motorist is under the influence, or that his level exceeds .08 in California. Therefore, misrepresenting facts causes more problems. It is better to say nothing than to bull____ a cop.
For example, 23109 is not priorable as a DUI is. No mandatory school for speed exibition. However, both are 2 pointers on the DMV record. Both raise insurance premiums.
As a criminal defense attorney for 28 years, and after 4 Corvettes, I have the following advice:
Be polite with the cops. Arrogance, anger and other emotions will not help. I agree with the earlier given advice to say as little as possible. However, I see no problem with pleading your case on the spot in a business-like way. I agree that the use of the "sir" word is unnecessary.
Always post your bail or appear in court and demand a trial. Always appear at that trial. As you have heard, the officer may not show up. Don't let the judge postpone/continue the case without objection if the cop fails to appear. Do not feel embarrassed or fearful of objecting to a continuance in court if the cop fails to appear.
Always read the Vehicle Code sections alleged to be violated. Reckless driving, for instance, requires proof that the driver deliberately drove a vehicle with reckless or callous disregard for lives or property. Accordingly, driving at a high rate of speed does not necessarily qualify for reckless driving.
If one breaks traction, that does not necessarily equate to exihibition. Gravel or unusual or wet conditions can cause this. I believe a judge would acquit any of us who present evidence that the wheel spin was caused by other non-deliberate conditions.
If alcohol is in your system, you should not plead your case to the cop. Say as little as possible, don't breathe on the officer, and don't slur your words. Don't deny consuming alcohol, if asked, if you have any reason to suspect the officer can smell it. Remember, alcohol does not smell. The additives have odors. Especially beer.
There is nothing illegal about "drinking and driving." It is unlawful in California, however, if you have or allow an open container inside the vehicle. It becomes illegal (DUI) if the motorist is under the influence, or that his level exceeds .08 in California. Therefore, misrepresenting facts causes more problems. It is better to say nothing than to bull____ a cop.
Last edited by Perry Mason; Dec 14, 2004 at 10:47 PM.
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What sort of ticket - what's the 'offense' for spinning tires?
Reckless endangerment? I can't think what they could possibly dream up? Or, is there an 'offense' for tire spinning?
I know the LEO's can stop you for just about anything...but this one is puzzling!
Reckless endangerment? I can't think what they could possibly dream up? Or, is there an 'offense' for tire spinning?
I know the LEO's can stop you for just about anything...but this one is puzzling!
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St. Jude Donor '11
Originally Posted by Merlin02
Instead of bad mouthing the officer, I think you should be thankful he let you off light! Exhibition of speed is a misdeamenor in California, and the DMV will suspend your driver's license for that one. You admit to going "over the speed limit" and not having a front plate. Those sound like valid vehicle code violations to me. Sound like he was doing his job. What's the problem?
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You must have a 6 speed. I have an A4 and I can't even get them to spin! They hook up and traction control kicks in if the road has sand or small gravel in the intersection. Does anybody else have these findings?
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St. Jude Donor '11
Originally Posted by Jeffthunbird
You must have a 6 speed. I have an A4 and I can't even get them to spin! They hook up and traction control kicks in if the road has sand or small gravel in the intersection. Does anybody else have these findings?
..well sorta anyway...if you go over sand or small gravel and you took your traction control off then you would be cutting doughnuts like crazy...
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Originally Posted by Yello95
Excellent answer from an unbiased ex officer...
Being jealous and harassing a young vette driver because he's young and driving a vette is not an officers job. "Do your parents know you have the car". That is a classic example of being an azzhole. Now that I think about it, maybe your right. Maybe it IS an officers job to be an azzhole and harrass people, since its getting so common.
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St. Jude Donor '11
Merlin02 [QUOTE]
CF Senior Member
"Instead of bad mouthing the officer, I think you should be thankful he let you off light! Exhibition of speed is a misdeamenor in California, and the DMV will suspend your driver's license for that one. You admit to going "over the speed limit" and not having a front plate. Those sound like valid vehicle code violations to me. Sound like he was doing his job. What's the problem?"
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Originally Posted by Yello95[QUOTE]
"Excellent answer from an unbiased ex officer...
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Being jealous and harassing a young vette driver because he's young and driving a vette is not an officers job. "Do your parents know you have the car". That is a classic example of being an azzhole. Now that I think about it, maybe your right. Maybe it IS an officers job to be an azzhole and harrass people, since its getting so common.
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ohboy..here goes ..can't wait 'till Merlin sees this 
CF Senior Member
"Instead of bad mouthing the officer, I think you should be thankful he let you off light! Exhibition of speed is a misdeamenor in California, and the DMV will suspend your driver's license for that one. You admit to going "over the speed limit" and not having a front plate. Those sound like valid vehicle code violations to me. Sound like he was doing his job. What's the problem?"
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Originally Posted by Yello95[QUOTE]
"Excellent answer from an unbiased ex officer...
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Originally Posted by BlownFRC
Being jealous and harassing a young vette driver because he's young and driving a vette is not an officers job. "Do your parents know you have the car". That is a classic example of being an azzhole. Now that I think about it, maybe your right. Maybe it IS an officers job to be an azzhole and harrass people, since its getting so common.
ohboy..here goes
..can't wait 'till Merlin sees this
Last edited by Yello95; Dec 15, 2004 at 02:51 AM.
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St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16
Originally Posted by Perry Mason
Exhibition of speed in California, VC 23109 is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in the county jail. This is the same penalty for DUI. The consequences are similar and dissimilar, however.
For example, 23109 is not priorable as a DUI is. No mandatory school for speed exibition. However, both are 2 pointers on the DMV record. Both raise insurance premiums.
As a criminal defense attorney for 28 years, and after 4 Corvettes, I have the following advice:
Be polite with the cops. Arrogance, anger and other emotions will not help. I agree with the earlier given advice to say as little as possible. However, I see no problem with pleading your case on the spot in a business-like way. I agree that the use of the "sir" word is unnecessary.
Always post your bail or appear in court and demand a trial. Always appear at that trial. As you have heard, the officer may not show up. Don't let the judge postpone/continue the case without objection if the cop fails to appear. Do not feel embarrassed or fearful of objecting to a continuance in court if the cop fails to appear.
Always read the Vehicle Code sections alleged to be violated. Reckless driving, for instance, requires proof that the driver deliberately drove a vehicle with reckless or callous disregard for lives or property. Accordingly, driving at a high rate of speed does not necessarily qualify for reckless driving.
If one breaks traction, that does not necessarily equate to exihibition. Gravel or unusual or wet conditions can cause this. I believe a judge would acquit any of us who present evidence that the wheel spin was caused by other non-deliberate conditions.
If alcohol is in your system, you should not plead your case to the cop. Say as little as possible, don't breathe on the officer, and don't slur your words. Don't deny consuming alcohol, if asked, if you have any reason to suspect the officer can smell it. Remember, alcohol does not smell. The additives have odors. Especially beer.
There is nothing illegal about "drinking and driving." It is unlawful in California, however, if you have or allow an open container inside the vehicle. It becomes illegal (DUI) if the motorist is under the influence, or that his level exceeds .08 in California. Therefore, misrepresenting facts causes more problems. It is better to say nothing than to bull____ a cop.
For example, 23109 is not priorable as a DUI is. No mandatory school for speed exibition. However, both are 2 pointers on the DMV record. Both raise insurance premiums.
As a criminal defense attorney for 28 years, and after 4 Corvettes, I have the following advice:
Be polite with the cops. Arrogance, anger and other emotions will not help. I agree with the earlier given advice to say as little as possible. However, I see no problem with pleading your case on the spot in a business-like way. I agree that the use of the "sir" word is unnecessary.
Always post your bail or appear in court and demand a trial. Always appear at that trial. As you have heard, the officer may not show up. Don't let the judge postpone/continue the case without objection if the cop fails to appear. Do not feel embarrassed or fearful of objecting to a continuance in court if the cop fails to appear.
Always read the Vehicle Code sections alleged to be violated. Reckless driving, for instance, requires proof that the driver deliberately drove a vehicle with reckless or callous disregard for lives or property. Accordingly, driving at a high rate of speed does not necessarily qualify for reckless driving.
If one breaks traction, that does not necessarily equate to exihibition. Gravel or unusual or wet conditions can cause this. I believe a judge would acquit any of us who present evidence that the wheel spin was caused by other non-deliberate conditions.
If alcohol is in your system, you should not plead your case to the cop. Say as little as possible, don't breathe on the officer, and don't slur your words. Don't deny consuming alcohol, if asked, if you have any reason to suspect the officer can smell it. Remember, alcohol does not smell. The additives have odors. Especially beer.
There is nothing illegal about "drinking and driving." It is unlawful in California, however, if you have or allow an open container inside the vehicle. It becomes illegal (DUI) if the motorist is under the influence, or that his level exceeds .08 in California. Therefore, misrepresenting facts causes more problems. It is better to say nothing than to bull____ a cop.
