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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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My 01 C5 was tunes in speed density. When I unplug the MAF the car dies as soon as I touch the throttle. If I leave it plugged in and remove the air bridge so I can see the throttle plate, it is the same. I thought a speed density tune allowed you to not need the MAF?
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My 01 C5 was tunes in speed density. When I unplug the MAF the car dies as soon as I touch the throttle. If I leave it plugged in and remove the air bridge so I can see the throttle plate, it is the same. I thought a speed density tune allowed you to not need the MAF?
yeah, doesnt sound like a SD tune to me
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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yeah, doesnt sound like a SD tune to me
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SCannon
I thought a speed density tune allowed you to not need the MAF?
True, but 2001 was the year they switched to integrating the IAT sensor into the MAF. You can run w/o the MAF, but not w/o the IAT sensor.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 12:17 AM
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True, but 2001 was the year they switched to integrating the IAT sensor into the MAF. You can run w/o the MAF, but not w/o the IAT sensor.
I would think that the iat would just go to a default # but the car would still run? I've personally never tuned a car/truck with the integrated IAT/MAF so im not sure, but yes very good point none the less.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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I have run a 99 Tahoe and a 93 Z28 without the AIT sensors as a test and they still ran fine.
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Here is my tune
www.hotrodz.org/vette/files/tune
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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Speed Density Tuning means you should be using the commanded fuel when in open loop table as the basis for fueling as opposed to the MAF sensor readings. If your car was tuned this way then the MAF sensor should have been disabled but the harness should not be disconnected as the IAT sensor is part of it (5 pins). Disconnecting the harness removes the IAT parameter that is used for speed density calculations so your car will not run right.

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FWI I viewed the tune & indeed it "looks" to be in SD mode so I dunno.
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The only thing that got me is the MAF sensor Air Flow vs. Output Frequesncy is still there. Even without the AIT sensor plugged in that is not enough of a reason that the engine will not run once the throttle is touched.
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Originally Posted by foff667
FWI I viewed the tune & indeed it "looks" to be in SD mode so I dunno.

He knows his stuff
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On a Vette,unplugging the IAT can really screw up how the car runs.Puts it into **** mode .(unlike a F-body).

I found this out a few days ago:o
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On my 2001 ZO6 cam/header car, I removed the MAF and installed a 3.5" muffler tubing that I expanded to match the stock 85mmMAF.Then I
installed an IAT sensor, wiring pigtail and a grommet from a 2000 Corvette.

If you want to keep the MAF, then just set the MAF fail freq to 0 hz.

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btw guys...i took a second look at his tune and it appears as if they set his maf codes to "no error reported" meaning if he removes the maf the computer will think the maf is still there & working fine...so the problem was it wasnt in SD mode after all.
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Originally Posted by Russ K
On my 2001 ZO6 cam/header car, I removed the MAF and installed a 3.5" muffler tubing that I expanded to match the stock 85mmMAF.Then I
installed an IAT sensor, wiring pigtail and a grommet from a 2000 Corvette.

If you want to keep the MAF, then just set the MAF fail freq to 0 hz.

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it was set to 0 but they didnt setup the codes correctly so it was confusing the s out of the computer.
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If the MAF fail freq is set to 0 hz, then code P0103 has to be set to no mil light. If set to no error reported, the the car will start & stall.

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In tunercat the only options I have are ---No Error Reporting (type X), No Mil (Type C), Mil on 2nd Error (type C), and Mil on 1st error (type A)
Im an still unsure what to do here.
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In tunercat the only options I have are ---No Error Reporting (type X), No Mil (Type C), Mil on 2nd Error (type C), and Mil on 1st error (type A)
Im an still unsure what to do here.
turn the ses on & set it to either mil on 1st, mil on 2nd or no mil...the only 1 you CANT do is no error reported & thats what they did lol
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Originally Posted by SCannon
In tunercat the only options I have are ---No Error Reporting (type X), No Mil (Type C), Mil on 2nd Error (type C), and Mil on 1st error (type A)
Im an still unsure what to do here.
I'd say your car was maybe tuned SD, then the maf was re-enabled after.
And the P103 was set to no error reported (type X) Check code P0102 for being set to no error reported as well.

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All 3 are set to NO Mil P0101, P0102, and P0103, MAF fail frequency is set to 1,

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